That Vander Sloot guy

There could be more than these two women.
...not to mention his alleged extortion plot to sell the location of Holloway's body.

It's pretty much a 100% lock that next season, "Law & Order: SVU" will have a "van der Sloot" episode, "not based on any real events or real persons, living or dead".

"On NBC, sexually based offenses are considered the most entertaining."
 
One would imagine -- at least, I imagined it yesterday riding home on my motorcycle -- that now that Joran has been caught, he might try to buy himself some leniancy if he sees that the show might truly be up, by "talking".

I don't think anyone doubts that his dad (dearly departed) and his two friends Satish and Deepak Kalpoe helped him get out of Situation #1 by making Natalie "disappear". Now, if these other two friends of his were seriously involved there -- because I question that Daddy could have done it all hisself, but that's always a maybe -- if I was in their shoes right now, I'd be gritting my teeth.

Joran might sing big-time when he sees the writing is on the wall, and we all might find out what REALLY happened 5 years ago.

One thing I have learned in the last 20 years about 3rd World Justice -- it can be fickle. They can promise you something, and then when they have what they want out of you, they can forget that promise. I was in a court fight here once, and because I knew I was in the right, I stuck to my guns. The prosecuter kept offering me a "deal" to walk away clean without having to risk a trial, and I kept telling him "no". When it became apparent due to passport stamps in my passport that I had not even been in Mexico at the time I supposedly slapped someone around (with whom I admit I had fallen into a rather public disagreement with at one time), my accuser "took the deal". He got locked up.

"But didn't you offer him a deal? Immunity or something?" I asked the suit-and-tie.

"Oh, sure," he told me. "It is but a tactic. If the person is telling the truth, they will not waver. If the person is lying, they will change their story as soon as it appears their first story is not going to work. We are not bound by promises to get to the truth."

Now, Joran will be facing a similar legal system -- although Aruba's might not be much different. I'd like to see him talk, just so people will finally know what happened. If his friends were involved, then it might be tough for them as well. This soap opera could still have a season or two left in it. In my opinion.
 
Now, Joran will be facing a similar legal system -- although Aruba's might not be much different. I'd like to see him talk, just so people will finally know what happened. If his friends were involved, then it might be tough for them as well. This soap opera could still have a season or two left in it. In my opinion.
I wonder how much the Peruvian cops would want from the Holloways in order for them to have a little talk with Joran via TA-312 about where Natalie's buried. Given how they got hold of him, I'm betting there's a substantial discount available.
 
Not to rain on the fun, but... There's no proof that Vander Sloot killed anyone, let alone is a serial killer. He's being villified in the media yes, he's got a big mouth for a kid and says stupid things sometimes, yep. Doesn't make him a murdererd.

The cops in Peru aren't exactly the most dilligent and resourceful bunch of investigators. The deceased, if I recall, was the daughter of a former Peruvian presidential candidate. Lots of people likely had reasons - given the way politics in Peru works - to hate her dad and/or seek revenge.

The worst that Vander Sloot ever even quasi confessed to was dumping Holloway's body possibly following an OD. Lousy thing to do, but not murder. Neither does it mean that just because a corpse is found where someone was that they were responsible.

All this idle speculation is just that, speculation. None of us - if I'm wrong please speak up - were parties to the investigation by Dutch authorities.

The real problem is when media speculation blurs things or gets the wrong person into trouble. For an example google Richard Jewel, the security guard who actually saved lives in a '96 Olympic bombing - and then found himself blamed for it in the media even though it really wasn't him.
 
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All this idle speculation is just that, speculation. None of us - if I'm wrong please speak up - were parties to the investigation by Dutch authorities.
That was an "investigation" in the same sense that Iran is a representative republican democracy, namely a PARODY of one.
 
That was an "investigation" in the same sense that Iran is a representative republican democracy, namely a PARODY of one.

There was criticism of the local authorities in the American media, and it is possible that they were less than efficient. That could be simply sour grapes, since the media in - for example the UK - will criticize how we handle some criminal cases here from time to time. It could also be that the authorities in Aruba were indeed less than capable. In that case, why assume that they even shined the spotlight on the right person? Arguing incompetence would cut both ways - could mean that the guilty go free, but also could mean that someone who's not guilty might seem to be.
 
I wonder how much the Peruvian cops would want from the Holloways in order for them to have a little talk with Joran via TA-312 about where Natalie's buried. Given how they got hold of him, I'm betting there's a substantial discount available.

I guess that would be best answered by "it depends". A local accountant who was "suspected" of ripping off several businesses once fell under investigation here. Although not directly involved, a friend's business was, and I went along to see what happened. The accountant was taking legitimate cheques written for legitimate expenses but putting them in his name and raking in the money. Obviously, "services" meant to be paid by these cheques went unpaid.

I was there when the accountant was arrested in Banamex Bank here in town. He, and myself as a witness (I had actually been told to be there by my friend as a witness) and another accountant walked the guilty party to the small downtown substation of the Police. There, the guilty party started to sing about his "innocence" and about how he was being "set up". This, although he had a BAD CHEQUE which was recovered at the point of his arrest.

The Police Chief at the time, of whom I knew passingly having done some basic firearms training work for one of his Shift Supervisors, walked over to me and asked quietly "How good is your Spanish?"

In times like this, I always like to remember Sgt. Moffat in the Rat Patrol telling the German Captain Deittrich that his German was "very good."

"My Spanish is very good." I told him.

He knodded, and then said to me, "Stick around, I think you will find this interesting."

With that, he announced that the "accused" would be taken up to the Court house -- which in those days was directly attached to the local prison -- to be formally charged. We could all find our way up there, please, to witness the charging.

Well, everyone left, and in those days I didn't have my motorcycles yet, but San Miguel was still congested as ever. I think I ended up taking a Taxi up to the Jail. I got there, and everyone had to wait around for like about an hour. I mean, we were thinking, "how long does it take those idiots to drive here?"

Anyway, the two cops who had taken the bad accountant -- his name was Lionell, I remember now, finally arrived. Lionell looked worse for wear. He had been crying, that was obvious, and he looked like he had just had the fear of God put into him. He went into the courthouse, declared his guilt right there in front of everyone, and basically threw himself at the mercy of the court. I was impressed.

Weeks later, I did some more work for the Police Chief, and we formed a rather precarious friendship (I mean, how close do YOU want to be to a Mexican Police Chief?). I asked him about Lionell one night when we were having a beer in Mama Mia's with a nice Department Model 10-7 sitting empty in a bank bag on the table in front of us that I was trying to buy off of him for a new guy we had in the club who didn't have a gun.

"Well," he told me. "I am sure that the men I sent to drive him to the courthouse gave him the option of buying his innocence, or being assigned to a cell that contained the worst rapists and violators that a frightened mind can imagine. Since he obviously did not have the money to buy his way out, he had to accept their word that declaring his guilt and thowing himself on the mercy of the court would be his BEST alternative -- for which they would PROMISE to testify as to his otherwise good character." (Remember my earlier comment on promises.)

"Uh," I asked cautiously, because there are always some things best left unknown, "do you think they roughed him up any?"

At this he smiled. "They might have slapped him a little bit just to get his attention...but they would not have left any marks. They are good at their jobs, that is why I sent them."

My point is, I can certainly assure that my friend whose business was damaged by Lionell did NOT pay any money to get Lionell on his knees in front of the judge declaring his guilt. The police did what they did. The Peruvian Police can likewise decide to do "the right thing" if they chose to. The eyes of the World will see it if they do. On the other hand, they can decide to be scabs and go for the money. It's hard to say, it depends on the men and that is not something easy to predict without knowing them.

In the case of Lionell, he was not jailed. He was found guilty and was ordered to pay back all the money he had extorted over a given period of time to the businesses involved. He was put on a sort of "parole" where he had to check in at the court house every week or so. I think he lasted a few months doing that, and then as so often happens, went up to the States illegally to escape justice here.

One of the best arguments for securing the U.S. border is that the Mexican Bad Apples use the U.S. as a way of running away from their problems here. Do you really think they'll be better citizens up there? You'd have to be living in "la-la" land to believe that, but some people just don't have enough experience I guess.

My point is this: the Holloway family could offer stiff sums of money -- and might not get any "truths" if the Policemen they are dealing with are scum (and that's very possible). On the other hand, by just asking nicely -- and Beth could do a great job of that, I believe -- the natural instincts of the Latin Macho might just kick in and maybe for very little money and only a lot of recognition, the answers could come pouring forth. As I said: it depends. All my opinions here.
 
There was criticism of the local authorities in the American media, and it is possible that they were less than efficient. That could be simply sour grapes, since the media in - for example the UK - will criticize how we handle some criminal cases here from time to time. It could also be that the authorities in Aruba were indeed less than capable. In that case, why assume that they even shined the spotlight on the right person? Arguing incompetence would cut both ways - could mean that the guilty go free, but also could mean that someone who's not guilty might seem to be.
To paraphrase Ron White, van der Sloot has the right to remain silent, but has repeatedly lacked the ability. Given the totality of his actions, including the new extortion allegations, betting that he wasn't involved somehow in her death or at least the disposal of her body is a sucker bet for anybody who takes it.

To believe he's innocent would require a greater suspension of disbelief than that required to consider "Avatar" a documentary or to believe a press release from AHSA.
 
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

THIS duck just happens to leave poop wherever he walks.

He's been indicted, so he'll, as they say "have his day in court"
 
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The deceased, if I recall, was the daughter of a former Peruvian presidential candidate. Lots of people likely had reasons - given the way politics in Peru works - to hate her dad and/or seek revenge.
"Lots of people" weren't registered to the room where the deceased was discovered. Just a case of bad luck for Mr. van der Sloot? I think not..........

Brian~
 
I just hate it when people leave bodies in my room after I check out......
 
"Lots of people" weren't registered to the room where the deceased was discovered. Just a case of bad luck for Mr. van der Sloot? I think not..........

Brian~

He wasn't the only person going into and out of that room. He likes his booze, his women, and possibly his drugs. "Party people" it is sometimes called.

Again it can't be both ways, he's somehow a genius criminal that disposed of another body and walked away without a trace, yet now he just leaves corpses laying around? Strange, you'd think he'd get better and not worse at murder.

And yes, if you have certain lifestyle patterns, you do end up with people turning up dead around you sometimes - OD, suffocate on their vomit from drinking too much, suicides, other people killing them, etc - without killing them yourself. In third world locales, this happens with greater frequency since the locals aren't necessarily healthy and robust to begin with and the drugs are often more potent than what we see stateside.

He's also the perfect patsy if you did want to pin something on him. He's already as good as convicted in media reports and the world's imagination. Actually investigating what happened in Peru may well fall by the way side. It's quite plausible that other people had a motive to kill the deceased.

What bothers me in cases like this is that no one trusts the media when it comes to reporting on guns, the war, this that or the other thing, yet folks are ready to jump on the band wagon - or lynch wagon if you will - over what amounts to mere media reports when it comes to someone's apparent guilt.
 
Lets see: Besides the holloway case, we have tapes of him recruiteing girls for prositution in denmark for $13,000s a head. We have evidence of him extorting holloways mother for $15,000s down payment on $250,000s for info. We have undercover tapes of him telling a UC snitch about how she died. That, and I havent even tried watching the other rumors. Yup, its possible I can be hit with a metorite by tomorrow morning too. My client is innocent!
 
GF, it's true most criminals get better as they go along. There are also two other true axiums; having got away with it before they get sloppy thinking they can't be caught. And if you relied on expert help (daddy judge)to cover up evidence, you're screwed when dad isn't there to clean up the mess anymore.

With that said, the evidence wasn't disposed of in this murder and hopefully dna will prove beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not he did it. The uncanny similarity between the two cases is eerie. Two young ladies are both observed on video surveilience with the same man. One is never seen or heard of again, the other is found murdered in that man's room.

If it is a set up on Van der Sloot or revenge against the Flores family as you propose could be a possibility, the killer is extremely patient and waited for the young man to be lucky enough to get female company, get observed by casino video and have that happen on the anniversary of the first young lady's disappearance. Yep it would be the perfect set up and since he's still the prime suspect in the first case he'll be the prime suspect in this one.

There was no crime scene or body to examine in the first case, so he'll never be exhonerated or convicted of it short of a confession that leads to her body. There was a crime scene and a body in this case and hopefully the Peruvian police will be meticulous and the evidence will either exhonerate or convict him.
 
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