The .38/44 HD in my LE career:

dabney

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In 1986, I purchased a second-hand pre-war .38/44 Heavy Duty. I had been serving as a lawman since 71 and was keen on firearms, especially S&W and Colt six-guns from pre-war times. This .38/44 was a once in a lifetime (for me) purchase, and by 1986, I was fully aware of the history of this legendary Smith & Wesson. The cost of this big revolver was but $139.00, and even by 1986 standards, this was a good buy on a well used .38/44. I would later find out that it was a PD-trade-in from Nogales PD in Nogales Arizona to J&G Arms in Prescott Arizona. Advertised through Shotgun News where I spotted the ad and acted quickly. On arrival, I suspected former PD use by the tell-tale wear characteristics about the 5-inch barrel, cylinder, and frame. But a smooth, long trigger-pull, pre-war action she had. Battered, pitted, but unbowed would be the best way I could describe it on package unveiling. It had been rode hard and long but thanks to the stout, muscled-up frame it had survived rough cop treatment. I shot this gun enough to become familiar with all the described qualities after replacing the beat-up and battered service grips with black rubber Pachmayr Presentation Grips and in recent times to the black rubber finger-groove Hogue Grips of today. I carried this .38/44 as my on-duty arm for a period of time as the Chief of Police in small town America. By 1990, some surrounding agencies were going to the wonder-nine pistols just coming out. But, and a great big but, my big Heavy Duty gunned down most of these wonder-nines on the field-of-honor, the range on Qualification Day. In the late 80's, my eyes, hands, and all other bodily hydraulics were on line and pumping! I was able to shoot through the pistol packers by practicing much at the range, prior to qualifying. That trigger-action was absolutely superb! Using regular .38's (158-gr. LRN), this six-gun would shoot tight groups for me. The revolver was not unusual in this time period as many cops still carried them. It was in the mid-90's when all the revolver carriers, save one, had retired and my .38/44 "did" stand out on those special range days (Qualification). We managed to keep her reputation for outstanding service intact with shooting scores high enough to beat most. I was slipping, not her! I could see this as time advanced, as it was requiring more and more time on the range just to pass, let alone beat out most of my brother/sister officers. In the past few years the course of fire was "not" revolver friendly and neither were the range officers who viewed my wheel gun with open disdain at times. This was a phenomena that I have not mentioned in past posts because I was still serving. Now that I have retired, I feel it incumbent to defend my much beloved 38/44's honor and set the record straight. I was a Lt., still holding on to my revolver despite the stacked deck facing us on the range. Each time I qualified was like thumbing them in the eye. Them, being the few naysayers within the range crew who felt strongly that me and my revolver needed retirement. "Obsolete and not needed" was one comment that managed to reach my elderly ears.

Well, I was around a long time and it was getting past time for me to retire. It just hurt me that I didn't get the respect and honor that was once given to the old timers. This is something that is going on in other agencies I've been told by other old timers, like me. Just the mind-set of "some" of the new centurions coming on. I'm so thankful unto GOD that HE saw me through the good times, but more importantly, through these rough times of rejectment by younger officers. I was so proud of my .38/44 that I wore it to work on that "last" working day of my career. She was really pretty that day!

David
 
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Dabney, thanks for your service. I came on in '77 and carried a wheel gun for a long time. I still love them and have more revolvers today than I have semis. I retired a couple of years ago as a Lt. after 37 years. I know how you feel. Seems we're all viewed as dinosaurs, but I wouldn't trade the era in which I worked for this one. Times and people have changed so dramatically. I'm glad I left when I did.
 
Just for the record, my much appreciated and loved .38/44 HD, shot well enough to "place" six-different times in the monthly service pistol matches. These matches are sponsored by the local PD for all local LE to participate in. I will post pictures ASAP as these "special moments" were recorded for future study and great shooting memories. I was not always old and these recorded moments can sometimes make my heart soar. This well worn .38/44 provided me some great times! She stood out in more ways than one. A rural cops "big" .38 sidearm that served and protected me in the southeast, including several generations of LE in the southwest rural town of Nogales Arizona. This is one piece of cop hardware that has served generations of LE personnel. It was carried by many of my kind before it got to me in 1986 and would keep on keeping on unto my July 29th retirement date. You think I'm partial to this fine girl, you think right!

David
 
Dabney, thank you for your service and thanks for keeping the HD alive! If you are ever in Cleveland Ga. look me up and maybe we can fire off a few rounds!!
 
David:

It's really great to see you back here on the forum. I've missed your articulate and colorful stories!!! That .38/44 sounds like a very special sidearm, and I'm proud of you and her for your dedicated service to your community, and thus to all of us.

I have to call you out on that "Elderly" business, though, after all, you are about 5 years younger than I, and I'm certainly not "Elderly"!!!

You, snowman.45 and I all retired as lieutenants. We need to tell those youngsters: "That's LIEUTENANT Dinosaur to you, young fella!!!".

Seriously, now that you are SAFELY retired, just remember that this is the beginning of the rest of your life. You will find many things to occupy your time, and one thing that we all know that you do well is to write great stories that we all enjoy and learn from right here on the forum.

I have a feeling that you will enjoy shooting when and how you want to as well, rather than worrying about passing a specified course of fire in order to keep your job. Don't forget to keep certified for LEOSA purposes, though.

Thanks again for another great post,

P.S.: I just recently picked up a big N frame, see my thread at: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-re...atrolman-project-update-august-17-2016-a.html keep in touch!!!

Best Regards, Les
 
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I'm one of the old mossbacks now, at the tail end of my career. I started out carrying a Model 27, but now carry the ubiquitous Glock. The lack of respect you describe is unfortunately the norm in our profession. I was one of the founding members of my agency's SWAT team, I was an academy instructor for several years and am commonly recognized as one of the best pistol shots on my state agency. Yet, because I'm an old man at 50 I get no respect from the kids. Such is life. I tell the younger guys, "When you showed up the first thing they did was issue you a number. Think about that." In reality the agency will view you merely as a temporary close hanger for the uniform, so don't let it become what defines you.
 
The "Apple" of my eye!

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Here is my "tried & proven" .38/44 Heavy Duty. A 1939-vintage six-gun designed for the motorized gangsters of the 1930's. The "hot" Super Police .38 Special ammo was produced along side this big frame Smith & Wesson Revolver to give cops of the day a "one-two punch" against the hard metal automobile bodies that was the 1930's. The cars of that time period were of hard heavy metal that "sometimes" could defeat the .38 Special round that many uniform cops packed. From what I have read/researched the .38/44, along with the Super Police .38 ammo, was designed for this specific purpose. For those of us who are blessed to own a Heavy Duty, pre or post war, it is one heck of a revolver. As a lawman, my Heavy Duty became a favorite carry for many years. It stood out, spoke up, and commanded attention just sitting inside my duty holster. I lack the proper command of the "Kings English" to give this great S&W firearm the proper amount of accolades it is so deserving of. If I could get my friends to understand just how proud I was to be the "last" cop still packing a .38 Revolver, but on that "last" working day for me, I made sure I was carrying my .38/44. That was a "back-of-me-fist" to those few wheel gun naysayers residing within our ranks! My last day party was wonderful as a ranking Lt, I did something that last day that was out-of-line but not too far out of line. For that last day I really made sure my white uniform shirt was starched and pressed, same as my dark blue BDU's, badge carefully polished, and my boots were old school spit shined. Not done anymore except by old timers who still know how. For my .38/44 I removed the black rubber Hogue Grips that I used and replaced those with a beautiful set of "Stag Grips" that really made my big 5-inch service revolver stand out. Remember those naysayers mentioned earlier, well they were there and once they laid eyes on the old Lt and his beautiful, dressed out Heavy Duty, they took a one-way ride out the door, mouths wide open! That was a "kodak" moment and everyone got a great laugh.

I never intended to retire badly and despite my antics, I retired well and with much sincere fanfare from many brother/sister officers wishing me well. I still cannot believe that it is over for me. This is the 3rd week of not going to work and I find myself getting up at o-dark-thirty thinking I'm late for roll call and wondering, 'did I do the right thing?' I've been a lawman a long time and find it much easier speaking with my friends here than I ever did on-the-job. This group here knows more of my inner thoughts concerning revolvers/pistols/changes in LE/personal likes/dislikes than all but a couple of close brothers on-the-job. That defense mentality, set-up years ago, to protect against hurt always coming in your direction in some shape, form, or fashion. May the Good LORD forgive me for the wrongs I may have done while serving and protecting. I do miss it so my friends.

Yes, my big girl looked good as she was the "apple-of-my-eye" that special day! Thanks for the honor of being here amongst you.

David
 
David:

That is a beautiful old warhorse you have there. I know that you miss police work, but trust me, you already have things that you enjoy, and more will come along. I've been out of it for 19 years or so, and of course, I've been teaching criminal justice all of that time, so I'm not completely away from the field.

As usual your posts are like having a conversation with an old friend. I look forward to hearing from you, and trust me, you command the "King's English" very well indeed.

I'd love to see the old girl dressed up in her stags. Somehow, no matter how practical they may be, those "Goodyears" just don't do justice to the classic lines of the old Heavy Duty!!!

Best Regards, Your Friend, Les
 
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Dabney, having invested much the greater part of your life in the Job, it is unreasonable for you to adjust to retirement in just three weeks. Heck, I retired, didn't like it, and went back with another agency for a while. Many of the old coppers here helped me to see that my life wasn't over, just my job. I have another job now, and my life is considerably easier. I'm sure, as another of those senior Lieutenants, that you taught a lot of rookies the skills they needed to do the Job, the REAL stuff that the academy doesn't address. Policing is generational; command is always a generation older than the line. They see us as Coposaurus Rex, we see them as a bunch of booger-nosed cub scouts. It was ever thus, and ever will be. In thirty more years, those youngsters you thought were dissing you will be grumbling among themselves about the lack of respect they get from the new kids.
Give yourself some time, there's no need to reinvent yourself in the first month. In fact, it can't be done. Us old cops are like that .38-44: our finishing is faded, we're a bit rusty and pitted, maybe our timing is a bit off, too; but I'll tell you this for free; we still hit what we aim for. Lt JL
 
Thanks a bunch Lt for the support sir. Yes, you are right on the money concerning this younger bunch. I can remember clearly the respect, accord, and awe I felt in the presence of senior lawmen in my early years. The been there-done that few that was "the" example for us (rookie cops) to follow. That has disappeared now from current time law enforcement. A small number in our agency subscribed to the old school way, but precious few. My last day "on-the-job", these few gathered for my retirement ceremony, the vast majority were not present. Just didn't care, just a lack of respect to honor those who were on the beat, before some of them were born! So sad, not for me, but those who did some "fantastic" things in fighting crime. I first noticed this phenomena several years ago at another old timers retirement. Seems to be spreading across the country with the agency old timers being dissed by younger officers. Anyway, I made it, and made it that last day packing a .38-44 with a "stag" coat (grips) on for my range friends. Will post a picture of my .38-44 with those stag grips asap. Sorry for the response time as I've been back to Panama City Beach again and just got back. It seems that I no longer have to get up and make roll call anymore at Fort Apache. Got time that I "never" have had before!

David
 
David:

I had a feeling you were at your favorite vacation spot!!! Well, you can go whenever you feel like it now. But it's good to have you back on the forum, missed you. You need to pack a laptop when you're on vacation so you can keep up with all your friends, and give us updates on what revolver you're packing down at the beach!!

I remember the awe that I felt in the presence of senior (and they didn't have to be all that senior, either!) officers when I first started in police work in 1975.

Best Regards, Your Friend, Les
 
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