The religion of peace has a bit to overcome

[pbslinger]

I was reading about the Armenian Genocide where islamic Turks killed 1 to 1.5 million mainly Christian Armenians during 1900-1923.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

It is against the law to refer to this as genocide in Turkey today. Only 20% of Turks like America.

 

[pbslinger]

I was reading about the Armenian Genocide where islamic Turks killed 1 to 1.5 million mainly Christian Armenians during 1900-1923.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

It is against the law to refer to this as genocide in Turkey today. Only 20% of Turks like America.

 

[indiandave]

20% is a lot for a Muslim country.

 

[ChadW]

There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villians? No.

 

[Forester]

Originally posted by ChadW:
There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villians? No.

Yes, but christians are not still doing it in the name of God these days.

 

[sjmjax]

I have a very close friend in BsAs, Argentina who is Armenian.

We've often discussed this part of their history. It has long been a big issue to Armenians. Not only do they resent the Turks and Muslums in general for what they did but also have some resentment toward the USA and Europe for their indifference to the slaughter and their failure to come to the aid of a Christian people being systmatically exterminated.

As a percentage of their population it was more significant than the Jewish holocaust. Yet, in the west the genocide is almost unknown.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

The Russians were in full retreat under the impact of the German Eastern Front offensives of 1915, the Western Allies were bogged down at Gallipoli. There wasn't a great deal they could do to help the Armenians, especially in that day when news traveled a lot slower. Also there were no Nuremburg Trials for the Turks-as there never wer for say Stalin or Mao-to expose their
infamy to the world.

 

[nicky4968]

We Greeks didn't throw off Ottoman tyranny until 1825-1829. After which we had a nice long civil war.
The Turks, themselves, weren't able to throw off Ottoman tyranny until 1922-1928.
We all still have a lot to answer for.

 

[guntownuncle]

Originally posted by ChadW:
There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villians? No.

The Crusades are brought up nearly every time anyone is critical of islam. It should be remembered that the Crusades took place after islam had already murdered its way throughout the Middle East, across North Africa and appeared to be a threat to Europe itself. The church may have used religion to fire up the foot soldiers, but I believe the larger strategy was to slow down the spread of islam.

Also, if you look at the total numbers of Europeans that participated in the Crusades, 4 million starts to look like a made up number.

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[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Considering the tough resistance put up by the Saracens-look up Saladin-I also question the
4 million number.

 

[smith revolver cop]

Originally posted by pbslinger:
I was reading about the Armenian Genocide where islamic Turks killed 1 to 1.5 million mainly Christian Armenians during 1900-1923.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

It is against the law to refer to this as genocide in Turkey today. Only 20% of Turks like America.

Just as the libs contend that a member of an ethnic minority can't be racist, they also don't see the persecution or murder of Christians as not being peaceful... it's only an outrage when the Muslims are persecuted, and it's only noteworthy when a white man is being racist. Get used to it. (Of course, what do I know? I'm a white, Christian, male...)

 

[pps]

Originally posted by guntownuncle:

Originally posted by ChadW:
There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villians? No.

The Crusades are brought up nearly every time anyone is critical of islam. It should be remembered that the Crusades took place after islam had already murdered its way throughout the Middle East, across North Africa and appeared to be a threat to Europe itself. The church may have used religion to fire up the foot soldiers, but I believe the larger strategy was to slow down the spread of islam.

Also, if you look at the total numbers of Europeans that participated in the Crusades, 4 million starts to look like a made up number.

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Yep. The muslims brought on the crusades themselves.

 

[tyusclan]

Originally posted by ChadW:
There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villians? No.

Christians who killed in the name of God did so in direct DISobedience to the teachings of Christ. That includes the inquisition when other Christians were killed because they had different beliefs than the "state" church. Jesus said to love one another and our enemies. There is NOWHERE in Scripture where He tells us to kill others in His name.

Muslims who kill in the name of Allah do so in direct OBEDIENCE to the teachings of Muhammed in the Q'uran. The Q'uran gives Muslims three options when dealing with "infidels". First, you attempt to convert them to Islam. If they will not convert, you make them slaves and put them under tribute. If they will not submit to slavery, you kill them.

 

[NCTexan]

A little Shai and Sunni "interdenominational tiff" reported by CNN today:

Link to CNN story

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- At least two suicide attackers killed 60 or more people Friday near a Shiite shrine in Baghdad, according to an official with Iraq's Interior Ministry.

At least 80 others were wounded when the bombers struck the Kadhimiya neighborhood on Friday, the Muslim day of prayer, near the shrine of Imam Musa al-Kadhim. It is one of the holiest in the Shia sect of Islam.

It comes after the deadliest day in Iraq this year. Most of Thursday's 87 killings happened when suicide bombers killed at least 55 people in Diyala province and at least 28 people in Baghdad.

Friday's bombings were the third attack on the Kadhimiya neighborhood this month.

Many of the dead in the Diyala attack were Shiite pilgrims from Iran.

I love when folks try to draw some moral equivalence with today's Islam and Christianity.

Last Sunday at my Methodist church, we didn't have a single suicide Baptist trying to blow us up 'cuz we just sprinkle.

 

[pps]

Here is Tim Wilson's description of the closest thing Christians get to the factional squabbles of the muslim faith.

Church League Softball Fist Fight

 

[Forester]

I love when folks try to draw some moral equivalence with today's Islam and Christianity.

Last Sunday at my Methodist church, we didn't have a single suicide Baptist trying to blow us up 'cuz we just sprinkle.

Love this line!

 

[The Shottist]

Originally posted by tyusclan:

Originally posted by ChadW:
There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villains? No.

Christians who killed in the name of God did so in direct DISobedience to the teachings of Christ. That includes the inquisition when other Christians were killed because they had different beliefs than the "state" church. Jesus said to love one another and our enemies. There is NOWHERE in Scripture where He tells us to kill others in His name.

Muslims who kill in the name of Allah do so in direct OBEDIENCE to the teachings of Mohammed in the Q'uran. The Q'uran gives Muslims three options when dealing with "infidels". First, you attempt to convert them to Islam. If they will not convert, you make them slaves and put them under tribute. If they will not submit to slavery, you kill them.

The very common misconception here is that Christianity and Catholicism are the same. And many people blame Christians for the Spanish Inquisitions and the Crusades. The truth is, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades were NOT committed by Christians. These were acts committed and ordained by the Catholic Church. As a Protestant Christian, I find it offensive that many people a, and even many Catholics, try to lump us together. But the plain truth is that the Catholic Church is not the same as the Christianity as taught by Christ. The Catholics believe in Purgatory, which is totally contrary to everything that Christ taught. The Catholics believe in praying to Mary, again totally contrary to Christ's teachings. There are hundreds of significant differences between the two, including the fact that the Catholic Church tried to murder Martin Luther and other reformers that translated the Bible into English so that the common man could read the Bible for himself, as Christ instructed. Catholicism and Christianity are as different as Buddhism and Islam. Remember that when discussing those atrocities, they were perpetrated by the Catholic Church, NOT Christians!

 

[gunsmith11]

i am not sure who is right or wrong, I just believe that almost if not all wars are startd based on religious beliefs

 

[10-12]

Originally posted by guntownuncle:

Originally posted by ChadW:
There has always been a lot of killing "in the name of God".

Look at the crusades, where 4 million Muslims were killed by invading Christians.

Does this mean all Christians are murderous villians? No.

The Crusades are brought up nearly every time anyone is critical of islam. It should be remembered that the Crusades took place after islam had already murdered its way throughout the Middle East, across North Africa and appeared to be a threat to Europe itself. The church may have used religion to fire up the foot soldiers, but I believe the larger strategy was to slow down the spread of islam.

Also, if you look at the total numbers of Europeans that participated in the Crusades, 4 million starts to look like a made up number.

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+1

The Crusaders acted in response to the Moslem invasion of the Holy Land.