The 'unofficial' 58 Club



I'm quite sure that I'm the oddball.

I'm not much interested in ft per sec, velocity or how much damage a particular bullet will do when entering the human body.
I don't hunt.

I have ZERO interest in ever carrying either one of my .41 Magnums.

I'm really not interested in the difference between a .41 mag and a .44 mag and doubt that I will ever own a .44 mag. I recently turned down a really nice 6" M29-2.

I can't wait to shoot my M58. I will have hotter 210 grain loads when I do shoot it.

I like knowing I just fired a Magnum when I pull that trigger. :D
 
^^^ Rubiranch, you will definitely know you fired a magnum when you pull that trigger on a full-powered .41 load! In my experience the recoil is about the same as a .44 Magnum, or at least not enough of a difference to matter.

I am pretty much done with my desire for magnum level shooting. Been there, done that. I shoot mostly mid level loads in all of my .357, .41, and .44 Magnums.
 
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^^^ Rubiranch, you will definitely know you fired a magnum when you pull that trigger on a full-powered .41 load! In my experience the recoil is about the same as a .44 Magnum, or at least not enough of a difference to matter.

I am pretty much done with my desire for magnum level shooting. Been there, done that. I shoot mostly mid level loads in all of my .357, .41, and .44 Magnums.

For me its like pushing down the pedal of a fast car or giving a cute redhead tequila. :eek: :D
 
I finally got squared away enough to post pics of my Model 58.

Apparently made in 1970. One of the best shooting handguns I've owned, though I'm not sold on the caliber just yet.
The Magna grips are original. Targets were just put on there to make it more shootable for me.




I would like to have one of those papers. :)

One more edit, Does anyone know where I could get one of these papers??
 
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For me its like pushing down the pedal of a fast car or giving a cute redhead tequila. :eek: :D


...both very dangerous undertakings....

As to full Magnums in the 58...they really are not all that bad WITH THE RIGHT GRIPS.... The stock PC Magnas need at least a Tyler T-Grip to make things manageable...

As to HEAVY bullets in a .41...really 210s are all one needs. One of the posters here has shot a lot of big game with .41s and has always used a 230 Keith at about 1150 fps...it will shoot the length of a moose...

Problem with bullets much over that weight in Smiths is one can often run out of front sight...as in the rear sight is screwed all the way down and the bullet impact is several inches high at 25 yards...and the heavier and slower the bullet the higher it will be. 220s are the heaviest bullets I am now running in Smiths saving the 250-300 for Ruger and Freedom Arms single actions...

Bob
 
...both very dangerous undertakings....

As to full Magnums in the 58...they really are not all that bad WITH THE RIGHT GRIPS.... The stock PC Magnas need at least a Tyler T-Grip to make things manageable...

As to HEAVY bullets in a .41...really 210s are all one needs. One of the posters here has shot a lot of big game with .41s and has always used a 230 Keith at about 1150 fps...it will shoot the length of a moose...

Problem with bullets much over that weight in Smiths is one can often run out of front sight...as in the rear sight is screwed all the way down and the bullet impact is several inches high at 25 yards...and the heavier and slower the bullet the higher it will be. 220s are the heaviest bullets I am now running in Smiths saving the 250-300 for Ruger and Freedom Arms single actions...

Bob

Thanks Bob. I sure appreciate all your help and great advise.

I am far from being a macho man. I just love the "crispness" that comes from Magnum loads. I'm not going to be shooting hundreds of rounds every day. I just like pulling the trigger. LOL

With the 3-Ts, P&R, white outlined rear sight and red ramp front site (The M57 is loaded. LOL) the M57 I got is a beautiful gun but the M58 is what I'm really looking forward to shooting.
 
Have you purchased ammo yet?

Nope. I looked at some and it was EXPENSIVE!! :eek:

I have all the pieces and a friend is going to load some for me. I posted a question as to how much powder in the reloading section.

It will be a few weeks before I get to shoot it. I wont get him the stuff until a week from tomorrow and then I'll pick it up 2 weeks after that. I have enough stuff for about 500 rounds.
 
Here you go while you are waiting.

LAX Ammunition Factory New 41 REM MAG 210 GR 250 RDS and FREE SHIPPING LAX NEW OR RELOAD ORDERS $150+ W/CODE "FATHERS"
2 Review(s)
$107.98

Thanks LOL

Like I've said before, the most expensive forum I ever joined.

I just ordered 500 new brass casings this morning and now another 250 rounds. :D

I need to get out of here while I still have food in the cupboards.

Everywhere else I looked .41 mag are $1 each and up so thanks for the link.
 
Went shooting yesterday. I discovered the sight on my beloved Mountain Gun had been bumped to the extent I was hitting a few inches to the right at twenty yards.

In the meantime I figured out the hold on the 58 and destroyed the center of the target. So... the Model 58 wins the day....
 
I bought my Model 58 while a college student in August, 1978. NIB, blue finish, SN# N270873, for what was then MSRP which came out to $183.75 including about a 6% sales tax. I mentioned earlier that I planed to have a .45 Colt built out of it by adding a 6-1/2 inch 1955 Target barrel, the cylinder re-chambered and the top strap milled for S&W's adjustable rear sight. You couldn't buy a D.A. .45 Colt made by S&W at the time. Luckily, the .45 Colt M-25-3 was introduced a bit afterward, and I kept the M-58 the was it was.

I became a deputy sheriff in 1981. Our issue gun was the .38 Special Model 15, but you could provide your own S&W, Colt or Ruger in .38 or .357 if you wanted. While the K-frame Models 19 and 66 were the most popular choice, quite a few deputies carried the Model 28 Highway Patrolman, just as big and heavy a gun as the M-58. The captain over the detective division carried a 6-1/2 inch Model 27.

After a year or two, several of us who followed the officer survival movement began trying to convince the Sheriff and the administration to allow us to carry bigger bore revolvers. S&W was then making suitable guns in .44 Special, .45 Colt, .45 ACP, .44 Magnum and, of course, .41 Magnum. More importantly, Winchester, Federal and Remington were making ammunition in these calibers suitable for law enforcement, such as the Silvertips, and lead hollow point semiwadcutters. The department armorer was already trained to maintain the N frame, so that wasn't a hurdle. We proposed that deputies carrying anything other than .38 or .357 would be obligated to provide our own qualification and duty ammo, subject to any specification the department might issue. Nobody wanted to carry .41 and .44 Magnum full-charge hunting ammunition.

The armorer/firearms instructor for the department would put on practice shoots on Wednesday afternoons. One Wednesday, I took my Model 58, a .44 Special Model 24-3 and a .45 Colt Model 25-5 to the shoot, with appropriate ammo. Our 50 round course of qualification was fairly easy and I had time to shoot it twice, using the .41 and the .45, while a pal shot my .44 Special. We all shot perfect scores.

We had hoped our demonstration would get the armorer behind our proposal; if nothing else, it would save the department the cost of the ammo that big bore adoptees would otherwise shoot.

Our plan went nowhere.

My standard mid-range .41 Magnum reload was a cast 212 grain SWC over 8.0 grains of Unique. Sometimes I loaded and shot Speer's 3/4 jacketed 200 grain hollow point or 220 grain soft point. Those were excellent bullets. I also loaded various 210 grain jacketed hollow points over a full charge of H-2400 or W-296.

I never was able to qualify with and carry any of the .40+ caliber guns, but one winter, mebbe 2 winters, I packed the Model 58 in a shoulder holster under my winter duty coat to finish off injured deer hit by vehicles. There was also a horse (the owner wanted it euthanized after it was hit by a truck) and a very large cow Shiras moose. The full power handloads put their slugs right through the horse and moose skulls.

I was NOT asked to finish off the two heavily damaged trucks that hit them.

Skeeter Skelton was somewhat involved in getting the .41 Magnum produced. He wrote that he, Bill Jordan and Elmer Keith envisioned a .40 or .41 caliber cartridge housed in a frame sized in between the large N frame and the smaller K frame, perhaps the size and heft of the L frame Model 686 produced 20 years later. But that was a bit too financially weighty for the times. So, S&W used what they had.

I need to dig my M-58 out of the safe and go shoot it. It's probably been 20 years since it roared.



Here's BUFF's M58. It will be roaring again pretty soon.

I LOVE reading his old posts.
 
Model 58

A recent pickup from the last Gun show.I wanted a S&W .41 Magnum 4",but was on the fence about either a 57 or 58.I was leaning more toward the 58,so I settled for this one.I never see the .41 Mag.other than online,so the time to get one is when you find one.A shooter for sure! It`s not Factory nickel,and previous owner wanted an adjustable rear sight!
 

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cbfd, hope the adjustable sight will go low enough for that short front sight? If it does it's good to go. Nice pickup.
Steve
 
Model 58

Thanks,Steve.I won`t know about the sights until I spend some time shooting it.If they won`t line up properly I`ll have to remedy that! Bill
 
I had a new ‘75 colt python that shot high at 25 yds. I took it out to 100yds and was pinging small rocks on the berm. I left it sighted in for the distance I just aimed lower at shorter distances.
 
Sent these to a member via PM but figured I'd post em up here for conversation/educational purposes. I'm itching pretty bad to join the 58 club. Been shopping for months, probably gonna continue shopping for a while longer still. Came across this one in its original box and got curious about the roll/punch marks.

Anyone got any additional info? My original guess was it's a German gun of some kind. Would love to know more.

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