The Worthlessness of Our Money

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I have been thinking about this topic a lot. If one looks across almost all sectors of society, one notices that the price in dollars for nearly everything is not what it used to be.

The stock market reaches all time highs while regular and low income people struggle to pay for everyday things. How can this be?

To me, it is easy to see. Our printing presses run non-stop, both physically and by adding a "zero" from the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve (which is neither Federal, nor a Reserve), has the power to insert Reserve Notes (what used to quaintly be called 'Silver Certificates") into our economy ad-infinitum.

To me this means that the whole economy is built on quicksand. Why? Because if we look at what constitutes "money"; it has always been agreed by people that reliable currency is constituted from multiple factors: Scarcity, Divisibility, Non-Counterfeitability, Portability, Transferability, and Fungibility.

Under normal circumstances, would any of you trade one of your Smith and Wessons for air? I wouldn't. Why is that? Air is virtually worthless (unless an artificial market is created) because it is virtually limitless. The same goes for any currency that can be created out of thin air. All the Fed can do now is print money out of thin air in order to stimulate spending. They can't lower rates any more (unless we talk about negative interest rates).

What does this all mean?

-They are robbing anyone who has saved a great deal of "money" and relies on it as a store of wealth. Debasing your purchasing power to inflate the liquidity of the markets and pay for the government's liabilities

-I still work, and am a long way from retirement. For me personally, my wife thought I was nuts when I drastically (by 80%) reduced the amount I put into my retirement portfolio each month and started buying guns, gold, and other durable goods as a store of wealth. I'm not going to be sitting there "holding the bag" when confidence in the dollar collapses and the world no longer uses it as the worlds reserve currency. A lot of Americans will be hurt when that "bill comes due". I'm on wife number two now anyway, and we do not share bank accounts. She is welcome to have any opinion she likes, but has zero discretionary power over my finances. She thinks I'm a wizard because she sees me sell a gun for twice what I paid for a few years ago. I explained to her there was high demand for guns but low demand for dollars relative to the past.

-There is a temptation to store ones wealth in the purchase of real estate. This will only retain its value if 1) the government does not violate the peoples rights by seizing real estate or limiting ones ability to own it 2) one can pay ever increasing tax assessments due to the inflationary pressures of the printing press

-People who live paycheck to paycheck will continue to see their meager wages fail to meet their basic necessities. As this expands, expect more crime by those who need to steal in order to make ends meet, as well as by those who are perpetually disillusioned by the hopelessness of their station in life. Also expect plenty of government "saviors" who tout their hand-out programs that need to be paid for by printing more money. Also expect confiscatory retro-active taxes where an AOC-type raids your retirement savings and gives you an "I.O.U." It will be "only fair", anyway.

- There will be balkanization. Some areas of the country with good fiscal sense will wish to retain their wealth and sense of principles that got them there. Think Rural vs. Urban and suburban divide. You could see something like the 9 northern counties of Colorado start to use alternate currency and enforce their own laws over those of the central government. North Dakota giving the finger to the central government and instructing its state enforcement agencies to ignore federal mandates as they relate to financial matters.

- If communities of people do not band together using common sense, nobody is going to come along and actually save us. There will be some winners and many, many losers.

- The whole thing may act as a great "reset", and force what is left of the nation to get back to principles that made it prosperous in the first place. This won't happen without untold pain and misery suffered by people who had zero part in creating the smoke and mirrors game

-Buy your Smith and Wessons now, because we are in a constant state where the junkie (spender of money), is trying to chase the dragon (get value for money), but the high (relative purchase power of the dollar) is not as good as the last previous transaction

Final thought: The constitution gives the central government the power to "Coin Money". Maybe our founders knew some things that we have forgotten?

My Two Cents (and 2 cents can't buy what it used to)!



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The same "officials" who cry inequality and the demise of the middle class created it.

Perhaps the most sinister of all is the idea of the gov't taking over your retirement savings and doling it out to you in the form of an annuity, like SS, with the carrot that you'll never run out of money. :rolleyes:
Who else will benefit from my savings?
No thanks, I saved, I want control of my own money.

According to the Debt Clock, "taxpayers" owe almost 3x more than each "citizen", frightening.
 
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Buy your Smith and Wessons now, because we are in a constant state where the junkie (spender of money), is trying to chase the dragon (get value for money), but the high (relative purchase power of the dollar) is not as good as the last previous transaction.
I'm trying! I'm trying! :D

I sure hope you mean vintage Smith & Wessons because there is no lasting value in plastic anything and I'm not at all sure that S&W's current production revolvers make any sense from an investment (i.e., store of wealth, not profitability) point of view. :confused: Only time will tell and I haven't got that much time left on earth to wait around to find out. ;)
 
Welcome to the United States of Venezuela. They also started by willingly surrendering rights for the illusion of safety and security, deciding that government was the best provider, not the individual. Now they use their currency as wallpaper.
 
This was an interesting rant ... Part of which I agree with and another part that I simply can't buy into. Sorry!

I have lived my entire life with a "no debt" philosophy. I never bought a car or truck unless I had the cash to pay for it. Making payments, which includes interest costs, on a depreciating asset just doesn't make sense.

I sent my kids to college and paid all their costs specifically so they wouldn't leave college with $250K in school loans. No sir, not for me.

My house is paid for. My vehicles are all paid for. My personal property is all paid for and at the end of the day, the only expenses I have are the "monthly" bills (Utilities, etc.) that I can't avoid.

I think the OP may have enjoyed a few too many cups of coffee
 
This was an interesting rant ... Part of which I agree with and another part that I simply can't buy into. Sorry!

I have lived my entire life with a "no debt" philosophy. I never bought a car or truck unless I had the cash to pay for it. Making payments, which includes interest costs, on a depreciating asset just doesn't make sense.

I sent my kids to college and paid all their costs specifically so they wouldn't leave college with $250K in school loans. No sir, not for me.

My house is paid for. My vehicles are all paid for. My personal property is all paid for and at the end of the day, the only expenses I have are the "monthly" bills (Utilities, etc.) that I can't avoid.

I think the OP may have enjoyed a few too many cups of coffee


Pretty much the same as you. Paid a little interest on autos when I was young, but none in 25 plus years.
 
-There is a temptation to store ones wealth in the purchase of real estate. This will only retain its value if 1) the government does not violate the peoples rights by seizing real estate or limiting ones ability to own it 2) one can pay ever increasing tax assessments due to the inflationary pressures of the printing press

They can do this with guns and gold too. In the case of gold they actually have in the past.

One proposal has been a wealth tax. Due to obvious Constitutional issues with a Federal tax on wealth the work around they are now proposing is a tax on unrealized capital gains. There's also nothing that prevents states from having a wealth tax.

Much of what you say is true, though I would point out that we still have the highest standard of living in the world in spite of centuries of inflation. Wages inflate too. The problem is lack of economic mobility which is a bit of a different issue. A very complicated issue that has a lot of variables.
 
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This was an interesting rant ... Part of which I agree with and another part that I simply can't buy into. Sorry!

I have lived my entire life with a "no debt" philosophy. I never bought a car or truck unless I had the cash to pay for it. Making payments, which includes interest costs, on a depreciating asset just doesn't make sense.

I sent my kids to college and paid all their costs specifically so they wouldn't leave college with $250K in school loans. No sir, not for me.

My house is paid for. My vehicles are all paid for. My personal property is all paid for and at the end of the day, the only expenses I have are the "monthly" bills (Utilities, etc.) that I can't avoid.

I think the OP may have enjoyed a few too many cups of coffee
Nothing you said is in contradiction with anything I posted. In fact, you reinforce my point.

You have lived your life in a way that is exactly opposite to the way I described our government running things.

And hence, you are credit worthy, no doubt. My point is that some time in the future, the US won't be credit worthy due to its profligacy.

Thank you for proving my point.

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This was an interesting rant ... Part of which I agree with and another part that I simply can't buy into. Sorry!

I have lived my entire life with a "no debt" philosophy. I never bought a car or truck unless I had the cash to pay for it. Making payments, which includes interest costs, on a depreciating asset just doesn't make sense.

I sent my kids to college and paid all their costs specifically so they wouldn't leave college with $250K in school loans. No sir, not for me.

My house is paid for. My vehicles are all paid for. My personal property is all paid for and at the end of the day, the only expenses I have are the "monthly" bills (Utilities, etc.) that I can't avoid.

I think the OP may have enjoyed a few too many cups of coffee
You have obviously led a very successful charmed life... and that's really great. I feel good for you and your family. :) Some of us, for different reasons, have not had it so good... but no matter. The point is that if you should still be able to see what the OP is saying... namely that the government printing money non-stop and having State and Federal debt & obligations spiraling out of control isn't a really good thing for anybody long-term. :cool:

Not all for sure, but some of us and our children and our grandchildren are going to pay a mighty price for this someday. Fortunately, I think I'll be gone before the worst of it comes home to roost. Unfortunately, my children will still be around and one of them falls into the 'working poor' family category that will never own a house, a new car or have any sort of real retirement. You have to be invested in something today or you'll never be able to keep up with the inflation that's coming on wages alone. It would be nice to be able to stop it or at least slow it down a pinch, but I fear we are past the point of no return.
 
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Gold, OK


Guns??? You invest in guns, then what do you get when you sell them?? Money which you say is worthless?? Going back to the barter system??
No. I use money only temporarily for transactions. And I dont store cash as wealth. I use it within a time window that minimizes its loss of relative value.

FDR sure did seize gold. The EO did not allow the seizure of jewelry.

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You have obviously led a very successful charmed life... and that's really great. I feel good for you and your family. :) Some of us, for different reasons, have not had it so good... but no matter. The point is that if you should still be able to see what the OP is saying... namely that the government printing money non-stop and having State and Federal debt & obligations spiraling out of control isn't a really good thing for anybody long-term. :cool:



Not all for sure, but some of us and our children and our grandchildren are going to pay a mighty price for this someday. Fortunately, I think I'll be gone before the worst of it comes home to roost. Unfortunately, my children will still be around and one of them falls into the 'working poor' family category that will never own a house, a new car or have any sort of real retirement. You have to be invested in something today or you'll never be able to keep up with the inflation that's coming on wages alone. It would be nice to be able to stop it or at least slow it down a pinch, but I fear we are past the point of no return.
I think he proved my point. He is saying "I wasnt profligate, I didnt live on debt spending. Look how prosperous I am."

This is my precise point about our government. It is living beyond its means and we are all going to feel the effects.

He made my point.

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The economist Stephanie Kelton, with a real life example, of why government printing presses running off seemingly limitless paper dollars in fact works very well for our economy:

"Mr. Mosler had a beautiful beachfront property and all the luxuries of life anyone could hope to enjoy. He also had a family that included two teenagers, who resisted doing household chores. Mr. Mosler wanted the yard mowed, the beds made, the dishes done, the cars washed and so on. To encourage them to help out, he promised to compensate them by paying for their labor with his business cards. Nothing much got done.

"Why would we work for your business cards? They're not worth anything!" they told him. So Mr. Mosler changed tactics. Instead of offering to compensate them for volunteering to pitch in around the house, he demanded a payment of 30 of his business cards, each month, with some chores worth more than others. Failure to pay would result in a loss of privileges: no more TV, use of the swimming pool or shopping trips to the mall.

Mr. Mosler had essentially imposed a tax that could be paid only with his own monogrammed paper. And he was prepared to enforce it. Now the cards were worth something. Before long, the kids were scurrying around, tidying up their bedrooms, the kitchen and the yard — working to maintain the lifestyle they wanted.

This, broadly speaking, is how our monetary system works. It is true that the dollars in your pocket are, in a physical sense, just pieces of paper. It's the state's ability to make and enforce its tax laws that sustains a demand for them, which in turn makes those dollars valuable. It's also how the British Empire and others before it were able to effectively rule: conquer, erase the legitimacy of a given people's original currency, impose British currency on the colonized, then watch how the entire local economy begins to revolve around British currency, interests and power. Taxes exist for many reasons, but they exist mainly to give value to a state's otherwise worthless tokens."


Learn To Love Trillion-Dollar Deficits
Opinion | M.M.T. Shows the Trillion-Dollar U.S. Deficits Are OK - The New York Times

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the argument, but it is thought provoking. It's worth reading the entire article. Maybe her book, too. Kelton has just published, The Deficit Myth: Modern Monetary Theory and the Birth of the People's Economy, on this.
 
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