There seems to be more to the EV story
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I think Toyota will make it work. They are also the leading producer of hybrids.
My questions would be: 1/ Longevity 2/Cost of replacement 3/ Will it require a special charger?
venomballistics
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Solid state battery ....
It's been languishing on a lab bench for about 10 years that I am aware of.
BMW has been working on it a bit over the past few years. It's good to see Toyota on this quest as well. That means it'll have a decent chance of coming to market.
I still dont want an EV, because I actually understand how conservation of energy works in the laws of physics.
I'm looking forward to this technology for smaller scale needs, like RC aircraft power systems where I won't need a nuclear reactor to charge them.
An EV just wouldn't work for us. We travel too far into areas that have minimal, and frequently no, charging facilities.
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My buddy I am working with on this location and I were talking about EV vehicles this morning and the batteries catching fire, after watching a few spectacular examples on YouTube 
and he brought up an important point for folks living near a coast subject to hurricane evacuation. What the heck are gonna do if a bad storm is coming in and you decide to evacuate if you own just an EV? I know a bunch of you inlanders or others that aren't subject to weather such as hurricanes probably haven't seen what the roads are like, but it's bumper to bumper traffic for dozens (or hundreds) of miles and you can get stuck in traffic going 5 mph for hours at a time. How well will these batteries hold up during this, along with 90+ degree temps where you need AC to keep yourselves from melting down? And where will you charge up at, since it's not like gas stations you have every few miles? And when you find one, how many people will be sitting ahead of you trying to get some amps in the battery pack? With my gas truck, I have a 26 gallon tank and I also have 30+ gallons of gas in cans I keep around during the heart of hurricane season I can throw in the bed. With that much gas available, I can keep rolling for long enough to quit worrying about where to fill up. I would definitely consider a hybrid if I were shopping for wheels, but a pure EV ain't even on my radar. Just not enough infrastructure around to support it where I live and the battery technology of today is just too primitive and to me, dangerous.
and he brought up an important point for folks living near a coast subject to hurricane evacuation. What the heck are gonna do if a bad storm is coming in and you decide to evacuate if you own just an EV? I know a bunch of you inlanders or others that aren't subject to weather such as hurricanes probably haven't seen what the roads are like, but it's bumper to bumper traffic for dozens (or hundreds) of miles and you can get stuck in traffic going 5 mph for hours at a time. How well will these batteries hold up during this, along with 90+ degree temps where you need AC to keep yourselves from melting down? And where will you charge up at, since it's not like gas stations you have every few miles? And when you find one, how many people will be sitting ahead of you trying to get some amps in the battery pack? With my gas truck, I have a 26 gallon tank and I also have 30+ gallons of gas in cans I keep around during the heart of hurricane season I can throw in the bed. With that much gas available, I can keep rolling for long enough to quit worrying about where to fill up. I would definitely consider a hybrid if I were shopping for wheels, but a pure EV ain't even on my radar. Just not enough infrastructure around to support it where I live and the battery technology of today is just too primitive and to me, dangerous.
That is WONDERFUL news! A battery that can power a car for 300+ miles and that can recharge in only 10 minutes. FANTASTIC!
Now if we could just magically make our electrical grid robust enough to support one of these in every garage! It would be a chicken in every pot!
But how are we going to get there? Anybody have any specifics on how to QUINTUPLE the capacity of our existing power grid - which is already inadequate and took 100 years to build up to it's present capacity?
You. Are. Pooched.
I was thinking of this problem when I was reading a recent article about people having to evacuate Rejkyavik due to volcanic eruptions, as Iceland has also a very high proportion of EVs. There are practical compromises in all these technologies.
"Oh Lord, wontcha find me a (diesel) Mercedes-Benz"
And 480v/3Ph in every garage
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It that's true, I should probably get a PO Box and expect my Amazon deliveries to be late. Good luck with that here where we get snow and ice in the winter.
I've had to dig out my mailman and Amazon trucks in their ICE vehicles when we had 3 inches of snow...
venomballistics
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700+ miles ... unlike current Li ION it can be drained to 0 without damage. and they have a projected life cycle of 70 years. but still, I actually do understand conservation of energy in the laws of physics.
They'd be great in laptops, phones RC planes and the like ...
Because unlike those trying to foist this upon us, I actually DO understand that getting the power into them is simply not possible (that was the intent of the nuclear reactor statement)
We should all be thrilled about this battery technology.
It solves a lot of safety and performance problems well beyond the role it's being developed for.
Here's to hoping USPS and Amazon don't keep the charging stations in an underground garage.It that's true, I should probably get a PO Box and expect my Amazon deliveries to be late. Good luck with that here where we get snow and ice in the winter.
I've had to dig out my mailman and Amazon trucks in their ICE vehicles when we had 3 inches of snow...
EVs are a means to an end. The end has nothing to do with climate change or conservation, so I'll just stop there since I don't enjoy getting dinged.
Toyota is in business to make money. Being the first with long distance, quick recharge vehicles widens the existing sales gap in world sales, and they're already almost on top, following VW by a goat's eyelash.
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As an enthusiast who has never owned an automatic transmission, I have no interest in electric vehicles. But like you, Biku, the owners I've met are happy with them.
Last summer, my lady and I were in England and Norway. The famous 'black taxis' of London are going electric now, as are many of the tour busses there. We hired a sedan service for one of our trips across England, and spent two hours in a Tesla. Our driver extolled its virtues repeatedly, and we noted the high build quality. (We also noted a fair amount of road noise that got into the cabin.)
In Norway, two of the big tour busses we rode were 100% electric...the drivers were very happy with them.
No, I don't want one...but it appears they are the wave of the future.
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With respect, that same complaint -- "they want to control us!" -- has been made for decades about everything from fluoridated water to compulsory schooling to workplace safety laws.
In the meantime, we happily let Google, our insurance companies, and fellow social media users know all about us. Everything from the prescriptions we take to what we buy in the grocery store to what we surf on the internet is available to mass marketers and private citizens who just want to snoop.
If "they" want to control us, "they" don't need to get us to buy electric cars in order to do so...
At least those companies are in it for the money. I trust greed more than politicians.....
You don't think politicians are in it for the money???
Seriously...some really do want to make a difference. And some of them crave the power that comes with high office. Some of them just like being active in their chosen field.
(I was very politically active in my youth, and served part-time on my Congressman's staff for four years in the mid-1990s. I met a lot of household names back then, and most of them were nice folks who knew a lot about government policy and making the government work. They had friends in the opposite party, and didn't view policy differences as a blood sport. I miss those days...
)Toyota going all in, here.
"N.C. State University economist Mike Walden said there's a clean energy corridor forming between the Triad and the Triangle, with Toyota in Randolph County and fellow automaker Vinfast in Chatham County, along with semi-conductor maker Wolfspeed.
That equates to nearly 12,000 high-tech manufacturing jobs over the next few years coming to an area that's been mostly rural."
Toyota bringing 3,000 more jobs to NC electric battery plant, now a $13.9 billion investment | WRAL TechWire
"N.C. State University economist Mike Walden said there's a clean energy corridor forming between the Triad and the Triangle, with Toyota in Randolph County and fellow automaker Vinfast in Chatham County, along with semi-conductor maker Wolfspeed.
That equates to nearly 12,000 high-tech manufacturing jobs over the next few years coming to an area that's been mostly rural."
Toyota bringing 3,000 more jobs to NC electric battery plant, now a $13.9 billion investment | WRAL TechWire
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