There seems to be more to the EV story
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Toyota is pulling back from EVs in general. They feel it's a dead end technology. They did some research on Hydrogen fuel cell power, but that also didn't work out. Now they're looking at Ammonia fuel cells.
I will not buy an EV unless it comes with a really good flux capacitor.
Y'all go on up ahead without me, I'll try to catch up. Not doing any complex, .gov subsidized Zapster. I got a Nissan that uses about 15 gallons of gas a month to go the same distance 25 gallons would take the Chevy Silverado. I gotta get an "advantage" to adopt "new" tech. I'm already paying way too much for other people's dumb ****. Joe
EV's are a firefighters nightmare.
I have an app on my phone that gives all the pertinent info regarding battery location and power cable location for all EV's.
A burning EV requires a LOT more water than a ICE vehicle.
I will never own an EV.
Ever.
I have an app on my phone that gives all the pertinent info regarding battery location and power cable location for all EV's.
A burning EV requires a LOT more water than a ICE vehicle.
I will never own an EV.
Ever.
Yendor357
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The EV is a solution looking for a problem.
There's been climate change ever since there's been climate.
This EV thing will work itself out. I could be wrong. But I don't think the demand for them is there.
This is kind of out there…. But is there a long term side effect to basically sitting on a huge battery? Years ago, before my time, the government told the public that smoking was illegal healthy. Question everything.
There's been climate change ever since there's been climate.
This EV thing will work itself out. I could be wrong. But I don't think the demand for them is there.
This is kind of out there…. But is there a long term side effect to basically sitting on a huge battery? Years ago, before my time, the government told the public that smoking was illegal healthy. Question everything.
RalphMP9FS
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People said the same thing about kerosene when electricity first came out, and guess how that turned out.
It's not a good comparison IMHO.
ICE has been established for a century. It works, gas stations are everywhere.
EV charging stations have a long way to go until they are are common.
Convenience is king.
EV'S aren't convenient.
coltle6920
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If you're talking about an older ICE then maybe. Since an EV is mostly battery and a major cost in replacing for even the smallest damage I still understand why it would be better to take the loss and total the vehicle.
Forget about the cost after an accident. An ICE with proper maintenance will outlive any EV on the road. Once the batteries on an EV have to be replaced it will cost more than the vehicle is worth. Kind of like owning an expensive "Mr.Coffee".
A vehicle can be totaled just by breaking most of the glass with no other damage.
Even taillights run in the thousands because of all the processors, radar, modules and other electronic BS they contain.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUkFsuilVD0&t=434s[/ame]
Pay Up: GMC Hummer EV Taillights Cost $6100 to Replace
We love fun headlight and taillight animations, but if the Hummer EV is anything to go by, they sure are expensive.
JACK FITZGERALDPUBLISHED: OCT 13, 2022
Pay Up: GMC Hummer EV Taillights Cost $6100 to Replace
Ill take my gas guzzling mechanical late 70s F150 and late 90s crown vic over these new expensive, overly complicated, glitchy, impossible to work on junk*.
Edit - Instead of "junk" I should've said "disposable" - because once the batteries go, that's what they are, disposable.
Even taillights run in the thousands because of all the processors, radar, modules and other electronic BS they contain.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUkFsuilVD0&t=434s[/ame]
Pay Up: GMC Hummer EV Taillights Cost $6100 to Replace
We love fun headlight and taillight animations, but if the Hummer EV is anything to go by, they sure are expensive.
JACK FITZGERALDPUBLISHED: OCT 13, 2022
Pay Up: GMC Hummer EV Taillights Cost $6100 to Replace
Ill take my gas guzzling mechanical late 70s F150 and late 90s crown vic over these new expensive, overly complicated, glitchy, impossible to work on junk*.
Edit - Instead of "junk" I should've said "disposable" - because once the batteries go, that's what they are, disposable.
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The kids have a Prius and a Leaf in CA. Full coverage on each runs them right at $583 every six months. $100k/$300k liability, $500 deductible collision, $300 deductible comprehensive, no accident history, no traffic citations.
And the EVs are getting cheaper. 3 Reasons Why Electric Cars Will Soon Get a Lot Cheaper
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venomballistics
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Solve the battery lifespan problem and the script can flip.
That's some of what solid state batteries bring to the table with their projected 70 year lifecycle. The rest is up to build quality.
What I've seen in various EVs is a mix of quality examples that might try to make it to 50 years, and constantly breaking ****.
Not with most home breaker boxes. - - - - Kill-A-Lot-Of-Breakers
A quick calculation.
If it was driven 400 miles at an average of 59 MPH. (8 hours driving time)
Then charged in 10 minutes. (1/6 hour)
With 100 % Charging Efficiency.
Charging current would have to be 48 times that used while driving at 50 MPH.
I think my lights would quickly dim, just before my breaker box goes up in smoke.
Where is the nearest HIGH CURRENT COMMERCIAL charging station?
Google could currently find only two charging stations within 50 mile of my address. Both are near the 50 mile limit and within a few miles of each other.
TANSTAAFL!
bekeart
A quick calculation.
If it was driven 400 miles at an average of 59 MPH. (8 hours driving time)
Then charged in 10 minutes. (1/6 hour)
With 100 % Charging Efficiency.
Charging current would have to be 48 times that used while driving at 50 MPH.
I think my lights would quickly dim, just before my breaker box goes up in smoke.
Where is the nearest HIGH CURRENT COMMERCIAL charging station?
Google could currently find only two charging stations within 50 mile of my address. Both are near the 50 mile limit and within a few miles of each other.
TANSTAAFL!
bekeart
Mechanical things cannot fly. Everyone knows that (except those who make, fly, and ride on planes).
EVs just passed 9% of US new car sales.
EVs just passed 9% of US new car sales.
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And apparently that's the peak. It's downhill from here.
TheHobbyist
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I'm not an expert by any means, just saw some recent articles and thought I would mention it.
There seems to be mixed feedback from various commenters/sources online (re; Toyota solid-state battery implementation and expectations).
I'm not sure on the who, when, why and how, but someone will eventually crack the code and I think it will be good. I'll be optimistic.
There seems to be mixed feedback from various commenters/sources online (re; Toyota solid-state battery implementation and expectations).
I'm not sure on the who, when, why and how, but someone will eventually crack the code and I think it will be good. I'll be optimistic.
UncleEd
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Many here would've believed the sharpwooden stick never would or could be
replaced by a sharp, very expensive
metal stick.
Nope. Check the business sites. Here's of hundreds. U.S. electric vehicle sales expected to hit new record in 2023 | Fortune
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You really got to wonder just how good this new technology
would do on its own and not augmented by serious outside pressures. (AKA strong arming!)
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