Things to look for in a 745

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Howdy all. The owner of one of my LGS’s knows my addictions rather well. He recently took in a 745 as part of an estate, and kept it behind the counter until he had a chance to let me look at it. The family of the original owner claims it was fired “a few times”, but this thing looks ANIB and unfired. So yeah, the LGS owner is right, I am interested, and it looks like I will be adding another S&W to the collection here.

I have never owned a 745 (or 645), but have owned other .45 ACPs, all 3rd gen. 4506, 4516, 4566, CS45, etc, as well as other calibers and models (39, 59, x39, x59, 39xx, 59xx, 40xx, 10xx, etc). The 4506 and the 1006 are two of my absolute favorites.

What should I look for in this thing (745)? What are the potential pitfalls?

Thanks,

T!
 
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I’ve owned several 745’s. Just know that they are single action pistols.

Cheers!!!
David
 
Which model 745 is it. Just curious.

There were the 10th Year IPSC Anniversary ones, the non-anniversary ones and a few 745 Performance Center Specials. Some of the non-anniversary ones came with L.P.A. adjustable rear sights.

As per Mr. Jinks’s letter and email clarification.

5362 IPSC Commemoratives
9704 production, (non commemoratives)
15 PC Specials to Lew Horton as per Earl Minot @ Lew Horton.

Jim
 
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Which model 745 is it. Just curious.

There were the 10th Year IPSC Anniversary ones, the non-anniversary ones and a few 745 Performance Center Specials. Some of the non-anniversary ones came with L.P.A. adjustable rear sights.

It is one of the 10th Year IPSC Anniversary models, with the gold text / script on the right side of the slide. However, it also has adjustable sights. Since it looks like the original sights are in the box I assume someone added the adjustables later.

As part of the same consignment there is a 650 and a 651 also, but I have not decided if I am interested in those or not. Never been a big .22 Mag guy.

T!
 
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The most accurate pistols I have owned straight out of the box. I have two Non-IPSC models purchased when they first came out. The first has over 25K rounds through it the later one around 12K. Only replaced the springs at ~10K. Dave_n
 
Dave, they have to be as slick as goose grease? What ammo?

Some IMI (less than 200 rounds) in the early days but after that, my own hand loads with 230 grain lead. Luckily I live close to a gun shop whose owner has been casting heads as a lucrative sideline for many years, He even ran some specific sizing for use in my 38 S&Ws (a number of early WWII S&Ws sent to the UK and some Webley Mk IVs) sized for the UK military cartridges. He even produced some 265 grain (0.455) heads for a couple of uncut Webley MK VIs, before I found a company in Canada that has the correct 265 grain Webley Mk II heads

I loaded the 0.45s to give me 700-750 fps, which I found to be the sweet spot for my 745s. Dave_n (PS no Geese were sacrificed).
 
I have two... a high condition IPSC Commemorative and a mid-grade non-IPSC where someone did same as the one you're looking at, replaced the fixed Novak-style pre-Novak with an adjustable rear sight.

Things to know... hmm, let's see what I can think of.

--these have a two-way adjustable trigger. Not adjustable for pull weight, but you can add or eliminate pre-travel (take-up) and you can adjust the trigger stop for over travel. I have found that this trigger stop, properly adjusted, is FANTASTIC and absolutely improves my ability even though the trigger pull is not what a snob (like me! :)) would call light.

--unlike most 1-2-3rd Gen S&W pistols, this one does NOT have a magazine disconnect safety. It also does NOT have a decocker of any kind, the single side safety is a simple hammer block and nothing else.

--most 745's came with the same magazine that the 645 had, so steel floorplate and red/orange follower and not exactly the same as the 4506 magazines discussed. Some early 745's came with these magazines with a very rudimentary rubber pad glued to the floor plate. Rudimentary is a perfect word here because they simply do NOT look like something the factory would have sent (they look like a basement bench job) but they are indeed original. However, as said, all generations of 4506 magazine fit and run beautifully.

--the 745 came with wood stocks and as far as I know, only ever shipped with wood stocks. 645 plastic stocks fit. The Pachmayr grips for the 645 do fit HOWEVER until you modify the Pachmayr grip on the left side, the safety lever is too large to function. You can shoot the pistol with an unmodified Pachmayr grip but you cannot use the safety. Beware that modifying the Pachmayr grip appears easy, but it is a steel lined grip so you will need to go at it with a Dremel or similar. Other grip options for the 745 are scarce.

--some 745's were shipped with a problematic extractor. Long story short... the extractor itself is perfectly fine however the hole for the spring was drilled too deeply in error and it seems this was scarce enough that no serial range was identified and no recall was issued... but I have seen other folks deal with this problem and I certainly did also. Knowing what I know (now!), I would not be scared of this pitfall but I can see how others might be. If it happens that your 745 fails to extract repeatedly, it can be handled.

--interesting (at least to me...?) that my 845's and 945's are extremely, extremely accurate pistols with plated bullets but my 745 does not like them. I definitely believe _dave n_ above, but cast lead is the route for that. I fully intend to try powder coated in my 745's next. Please understand that nobody, and I mean NOBODY who is an accuracy nut (an is an accuracy nut with good sense) would specifically choose a plated bullet specifically for accuracy in a handgun. It may be the worst of all choices if your goal is gilt-edged accuracy. I'm not slamming plated bullets, I've eaten through more than 100k of them, I'm just saying. Bottom line is that my higher end S&W .45's can shoot plated accurately but my 745's throw flyers with these slugs. YMMV!

--if you are a Performance Center guy and you love guns like the 952, PPC-9, 945... the 745 may disappoint you. This pistol is not built like a PC gun at all. The trigger isn't there, the slide to frame fit is nowhere near there. It is fitted very much like a 645. I am a hardcore PC guy but I love my 745's, they are just retro-cool and so extremely shootable. But if you are thinking 945, you will be extremely disappointed.

--the market for these has been rising over the last five years. Half a decade ago, $650 would bring one home. Those days are GONE. These guns are all headed toward a grand unless you find one NOS/NIB, and when you do, these are beyond $1,000. The very last version of factory production 745 had it's own product code, these were the non-IPSC guns with factory installed adjustable rear sight, shipped in 1990. Outside of the anomaly that Jim has, these 1990 guns were the last of the 745's and are scarce and should carry a premium.
 
It was my gateway gun to PC guns. Before my 745, a few 645’s came and went. Accuracy of the 645,s I could only describe as combat accurate. The 745 was a level up….on par with some of my middle tiered 1911’s. An entry level target gun imo.
 
--most 745's came with the same magazine that the 645 had, so steel floorplate and red/orange follower and not exactly the same as the 4506 magazines discussed. Some early 745's came with these magazines with a very rudimentary rubber pad glued to the floor plate. Rudimentary is a perfect word here because they simply do NOT look like something the factory would have sent (they look like a basement bench job) but they are indeed original. However, as said, all generations of 4506 magazine fit and run beautifully.

Thanks for the detailed response.

Re magazines, this pistol came with two magazines that have metal followers and steel floorplates.

Also, I was incorrect before, I said it had adjustable sites on it with the originals in the box, it does not. When I glanced in the box there was a spare set of rear sites in there (looks to have been never mounted) and I assumed. So it has the original (fixed) sites and a spare rear site in the box.

Are the production dates for these pistols known? I get that they are around 1986, but does that mean all of the anniversary marked pistols were made that year? Are there serial number ranges that are known?

Thanks,

T!
 
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Are the production dates for these pistols known? I get that they are around 1986, but does that mean all of the anniversary marked pistols were made that year? Are there serial number ranges that are known?

There is so much info here relating to the 745’s. You can do a search and read away.

Wether you do or don’t research, here again is a, (redacted,) letter I got. I have shared it in one form or another WAY too many times. It’s the best “explanation” of 745’s that I know of. Coupled with a return email from Roy Jinks it’s probably the best information available to us. I’m happy to share as it makes the initial cost, (not the $100.00 now,) I paid for it worthwhile.

Jim
 

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