venomballistics
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I already addressed what it is at the component level
the rfPIC series of micro controllers are far to critical to our infrastructure to ban without knocking us all back to 1982
Think twice about leaving anything vaulable in your car.
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I already addressed what it is at the component level
the rfPIC series of micro controllers are far to critical to our infrastructure to ban without knocking us all back to 1982
MOONDAWG
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When caught they'll probably be disgruntled former NSA employees...
venomballistics
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When caught they'll probably be disgruntled former NSA employees...
or ... the NSA'a new prospects
kamloops67
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the steering column doesnt lock, the hood doesnt lock ,the side windows can be easily pried open enough to reach the lock.this is the only security feature i have . i leave the car unlocked when its at home .original camaro glass is tough to find!
but the power is shut off
. anyone with any mechanical aptitude could take this car faster than i want to believe.
but the power is shut off
. anyone with any mechanical aptitude could take this car faster than i want to believe.
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Rastoff
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You're absolutely right. Do you people really believe that leaving your car unlocked with a note that says, "Please don't break my windows. The car us unlocked and I don't have anything worth taking." is going to slow down these people at all? Heck, I'll bet many would be more likely to break the window just because of the note. Then they'd take your car.
I used to think this too, but you have to remember, these are scum we're talking about.One more advantage to driving a "Low-Tech-P-O-S" vehicle.
I had a friend who drove a 1980 Toyota 2WD pickup. It was a real junker, rusted and dented. He never locked it and he even left the title in the glove box.
When I questioned him about it, he said, "Who's gonna try to steal this thing?" Sure enough it was stolen about a month later.Leaving your car unlocked isn't the answer. Anything you can do to slow them down is valuable. Disabling the remote door locks is a good idea.
venomballistics
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You're absolutely right. Do you people really believe that leaving your car unlocked with a note that says, "Please don't break my windows. The car us unlocked and I don't have anything worth taking." is going to slow down these people at all? Heck, I'll bet many would be more likely to break the window just because of the note. Then they'd take your car.
I used to think this too, but you have to remember, these are scum we're talking about.
I had a friend who drove a 1980 Toyota 2WD pickup. It was a real junker, rusted and dented. He never locked it and he even left the title in the glove box.
Leaving your car unlocked isn't the answer. Anything you can do to slow them down is valuable. Disabling the remote door locks is a good idea.
Don't forget about those who think too highly of insurance either.
This will only pay for some repair upon whats left of it when recovered. If its not recovered .... I suspect they could find you a great deal on a Nissan Puke
It's just a car ... right ?!?!
UncaGrunny
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Could be worse... google "Smart Fortwo" but have a vomit receptacle handy.
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One more advantage to driving a "Low-Tech-P-O-S" vehicle.
There are also other advantages to having a beater..
Myself, I'm quite picky about my "good" car, and even
door dings cause me to foam at the mouth and start
barking at the moon. So far, I've only gotten one since
I've had it, and I caught the guy that did it.. I reamed him
out for a while.
But I also have an old truck. So if I want to go anywhere
where I think mayhem may occur while I'm parked, I'll
just take the truck. Heck, it's metal is so thick, you can't
hardly ding it without a hammer.
One other thing I don't like about my present car. You can't lock
the cabin trunk release like you could on my previous car.
So.. if you make it into the cabin, you are also in the trunk.
Needless to say, I never leave any firearms in that car unless
I'm actually traveling. Unless I mount some kind of safe, there
is no safe place to hide them.
And even then, they would probably find a way to bust it open.
That new box might be able to open up my car, being as it
has power door locks, and has the option for a key fob..
Being cheap, I never bought one of those.. Always use the key.
venomballistics
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Its only real sin is in its uselessness
The Puke however, is the only vehicle I've felt completely compelled to avert my eyes from. and Ive been around long enough to have seen the Renult LeCar, AMC Pacer and Gremlin as well as the Pontiac Aztec
I find it interesting that I see Pukes, mostly in those areas that have the highest auto theft rates. So I do wonder if these arent the result of insurance payoffs resulting from thefts
hangnoose
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KEEP THE NEXT GUYS CAR MORE APPEALING TO THIEVES
Yes the air bags are a target & also info to steal identity & get into your home: garage door openers, insurance & registration cards. Not so much cb's, stereos, gps anymore, but who knows, a crackie may break your windows for a few coins in the ash tray. For every new hi tech device to protect stuff another comes along to defeat it. If someone is going to steal your car to chop for parts I seriously doubt they will break the glass unless they have to. I like the vault idea, but think it'd be better kept out of sight. Bottom line is it'd be best to leave nothing of value inside (as possible). I know I don't leave a spare/back up gun in the truck anymore when hunting, sux cuz I used to use a scoped bolt for stand hunting at dawn/dusk & switch to an open sighted lever for daytime spot/stalk in the thick stuff.
Yes the air bags are a target & also info to steal identity & get into your home: garage door openers, insurance & registration cards. Not so much cb's, stereos, gps anymore, but who knows, a crackie may break your windows for a few coins in the ash tray. For every new hi tech device to protect stuff another comes along to defeat it. If someone is going to steal your car to chop for parts I seriously doubt they will break the glass unless they have to. I like the vault idea, but think it'd be better kept out of sight. Bottom line is it'd be best to leave nothing of value inside (as possible). I know I don't leave a spare/back up gun in the truck anymore when hunting, sux cuz I used to use a scoped bolt for stand hunting at dawn/dusk & switch to an open sighted lever for daytime spot/stalk in the thick stuff.
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Stu1205
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I know every region is different, so I won't say you're wrong, but...
I honesty can't think of a single instance where I've responded to a call where someone has smashed out a window to gain access to a car that didn't have valuables in plain sight. Maybe I have at some point, but I don't recall it.
I get dispatched to B&E autos on a daily basis. Without fail, I find the victim in a state of disbelief that someone entered their unlocked car an stole their gps, phone, etc from the console.
I even had a guy last week leave a loaded M&P 40 in his unlocked car. (He kept it there all the time) He told me, "oh yea, I never lock anything. We've never had any trouble here." I told him, "that's the problem, you never have any trouble until you have some trouble..."
Thieves walk around all night long checking car doors. The unlocked ones they search, the locked ones they pass up. My advise to people is to lock you doors and don't leave valuables in plain sight! (or in the vehicle at all) With modern alarm systems, it's not worth breaking into a vehicle just to have a look around.
Just my 2 cents though!
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vito
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An 18 year old that we know told us that he and his friends, when they have nothing better to do, just walk the streets looking for an unlocked car. If they find one they take whatever is in it, even if not particularly valuable. They think this is fun, and also that anyone "stupid enough to leave a car unlocked DESERVES to have it robbed".
Maybe it is because I grew up in Brooklyn, NY but I lock my car even if I am in the car, even if I have to leave it for a moment to run into a convenience store, etc. And I never leave anything of value in the car, other than my cheap GPS device which sits on the dash.
Although it sounds appealing to leave a handgun in the glove box (once we get legal concealed carry here in IL) I doubt that I will ever do it since it is inconceivable to me to leave a gun in a vehicle when I leave the vehicle. Since I would have take the gun out each time I get out the car, I might just as well carry it on my person and not have to think about it.
Maybe it is because I grew up in Brooklyn, NY but I lock my car even if I am in the car, even if I have to leave it for a moment to run into a convenience store, etc. And I never leave anything of value in the car, other than my cheap GPS device which sits on the dash.
Although it sounds appealing to leave a handgun in the glove box (once we get legal concealed carry here in IL) I doubt that I will ever do it since it is inconceivable to me to leave a gun in a vehicle when I leave the vehicle. Since I would have take the gun out each time I get out the car, I might just as well carry it on my person and not have to think about it.
Good advice.
I see vehicle break ins all the time. As a locksmith, I repair or replace the locks that have been damaged. I only hear about broken windows. And I've heard it a 100 times and it happened to me two years ago. They broke out a window and got me for $2500 in tools. So I have taken steps to prevent that again.
As I mentioned before there are some vehicle brands and models that are much too easy to break into. I won't mention them here for obvious reasons. The bad part is that when they take a screw driver to your door lock, it will override the factory alarm system the same as if you used your key. Thankfully this is hard to do on most vehicles.
I've seen people lose their GPS's, laptops, guns, cell phones and other items that were left out it the open. Factory consoles and glove boxes don't stop them.
IMO leaving your car unlocked in an urban area is irresponsible. There was a thread here over a year ago or so where a members truck was stolen and used in a crime. He left it unlocked. There are no guarantees but why make it easier?
I'm confused. Seems like it doesn't make much difference whether it is locked or not. Taking your logic to its "logical" extension, it is irresponsible to park your vehicle in an urban area.
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As Moosedog is well aware - Professional thieves have always "been ahead of the curve" when it comes to locks, etc.....I bagged a B&E guy years ago that had a "blackbox" that had a VFO (variable freq oscillator) that he could open garage doors with....they have since made that harder to do.....but everything you transmit with has a digital signature, and if you put it out there, it can be caught....and as pointed out in an above post, these devices have a narrow spectrum of freq's that they use.....so it only stands to reason that they can be duped. Another reason I shut off my garage door operator and physically bar my entry doors at night.
In regards to using handcuffs to secure anything....cuffs can be defeated in seconds or simply cut off with bolt cutters. I taught application of restraints for years & have seen many a crook come out of cuffs, handcuffs are only as good as the supervision of the escorting officers.
As Moosedog is well aware - Professional thieves have always "been ahead of the curve" when it comes to locks, etc.....I bagged a B&E guy years ago that had a "blackbox" that had a VFO (variable freq oscillator) that he could open garage doors with....they have since made that harder to do.....but everything you transmit with has a digital signature, and if you put it out there, it can be caught....and as pointed out in an above post, these devices have a narrow spectrum of freq's that they use.....so it only stands to reason that they can be duped. Another reason I shut off my garage door operator and physically bar my entry doors at night.
In regards to using handcuffs to secure anything....cuffs can be defeated in seconds or simply cut off with bolt cutters. I taught application of restraints for years & have seen many a crook come out of cuffs, handcuffs are only as good as the supervision of the escorting officers.
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In some areas it doesn't matter if you lock your car or not. They will get in. The thieves know which vehicles are easy to get into and target those vehicles. Then there are the "rookies" that try to break into any car they see. And yes, parking in certain areas after dark or even broad daylight can be risky.
Leaving your vehicle unlocked is irresponsible IMO. A seasoned thief may bypass your vehicle. A "rookie" may not. An unlocked door is just an invitation. Whether looking for valuables or a joy ride, you just made it a lot easier for him to steal your car. You never know, but if he for some reason can't get in through a locked door he will probably move on. If he simply just opens the door and has a seat, he can work on your ignition for hours until he's successful. It's always best to make a thief work harder.
There are too many variables. All I know is that I won't make it easy for them.
Leaving your vehicle unlocked is irresponsible IMO. A seasoned thief may bypass your vehicle. A "rookie" may not. An unlocked door is just an invitation. Whether looking for valuables or a joy ride, you just made it a lot easier for him to steal your car. You never know, but if he for some reason can't get in through a locked door he will probably move on. If he simply just opens the door and has a seat, he can work on your ignition for hours until he's successful. It's always best to make a thief work harder.
There are too many variables. All I know is that I won't make it easy for them.
That makes good sense.
It is sort of like gates and fences on my property. They are as much of a psychological barrier to trespassers as they are physical barriers.
I do always lock my vehicles, by the way, except when they are in my yard, which is in a rural area.
