Thinking about trading my G23 for MP40 or 40c

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Not sure if I should go with the full size model or the compact. I really like my glock but I really like a external safety. I grew up with them and when I carry my children are often with me so that extra protection from a accidental discharge comforts me.
I already own a 9mm shield and 380 bg and like both very much and the m&p line overall.
A couple thoughts I have. I like to carry my guns. For that reason I like the 40c. More of a fall/winter carry. However this particular gun will serve as my bedside pistol also and I have a stream light on my glock now. So maybe I should just get the full size pistol?

Second. This little voice keeps telling me to get a 9mm as the shield is a 9 mm and the ammo is just cheaper. However I like the way the 40 goes boom!

Any thoughts to help me decide? I figure this would be a good time to purchase given the 3 free magazine offer will help offset what I will lose from trading my glock. Thanks
 
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If you want the M&P go for it personally I'd get the 9mm but if you want the .40 S&W you can get a 9mm conversion barrel later. Regarding the size check them out yourself first and get what feels right.
 
I faced the same dilemma for the past 8 months or so. Prior to purchasing, I owned 2 M&P 9mm's but I wanted something with a bit more power for nightstand duty and for my "woods" gun - my friend's cabin has LOTS of black bears and I don't feel comfortable carrying 10+1 rounds of 9mm in the woods there. So, after careful deliberation, tons of research and a lot of agonizing, finally about 6 weeks ago I ordered a 40c. I had considered the FNH FNS-40 and a full size M&P .40. I also considered the Glock 27, but despite their great reputation for reliability, in my opinion it's no contest when you hold a subcompact Glock 27 and then hold a M&P compact... the M&P feels so much better in my hand. Plus a friend of mine owned a 40c for about 18 months before I got mine and I had shot it a number of times. Surprisingly, I was a lot more accurate with his M&P 40 compact than with either of my M&P 9mm's... still not sure how that's possible!

I ended up going with the M&P 40 compact and here are several reasons why:

1) It's more versatile. You can carry it concealed with either the flat base plates or the 40c mags with the pinky extension. If you want a full size M&P "feel" just buy the full size M&P .40 mags and get the X-Grip adapter to fill in the space. This will make it feel similar to a full size M&P in your hand. Also, as ATF said above, I also like the option to purchase a ".40 to 9mm" conversion barrel from Storm Lake for about $165 (can be had as low as $130 on e-bay - my friend just picked up a gently used conversion barrel for his 40c from our LGS for $99 plus tax) and this will allow you to shoot 9mm with your 40c. You can also purchase a .357 sig barrel from Storm Lake and run .357 sig through your 40c (.357 sig also uses the same mags as your .40 ammo, so you won't need to buy new mags like you do with the ".40 to 9mm" conversion barrel). In summary, you can make the 40c feel more like a .40 full size, but you can't make the full size feel more like the 40c. Also, you can buy the Streamlight TLR-3 and mount that on the rail of your 40c. They also make a model with a laser or light/laser combo (Veridian, I believe) that mounts quite well on the 40c's small rail. The M&P 40 compact is quite a versatile, multi-role firearm in my opinion!

2) Availability and Cost. Around me, .40 ammo is plentiful and is usually $3-$5 cheaper per box than .45 acp. I like how the .40 round is a little bigger than the 9mm but hits harder than the 9 or .45. I've read many places that the velocity of the round if using hollow points (more so than the actual round itself) influences how well it expands in the target. This is a Pandora's box and everyone has their own opinion - I'm not trying to start a caliber/ballistics debate. Nothing wrong with 9, 40 or 45... they'll all usually get the job done, but after lots of research, I liked the ballistics of the .40 round and the fact that it's a little more cost-effective for me to shoot than the .45. I still remember a couple of years ago when it was impossible to find 9mm or .45 ammo in my area or even online. .40 was still on the shelves though... granted in far less quantity than it is now, but it was about the only thing still in stock locally (not counting less common calibers like .357 sig, .45 GAP, etc.).

3) S&W quality & my own prior experience. I had owned 2 M&P's previously before I got my new 40c and after running about 2,500 rounds total through them (FMJs and HPs) I had not had one single issue. I should also mention that this is all the more impressive since I did not clean either gun at all... just threw some oil on the rails and along the slide after taking it out of the box before I took my first shots... and I still have not cleaned them (I know, I know! :() ...and they're running like clocks! Also, every time I called S&W with a random question, their reps were great and very courteous and helpful. I had an issue with my 40c when I first got it where one of the mags was not seating fully. They sent me a free return address label and within 10 days I had a new 40c mag WITH the pinky extension and it works like a charm! I may never buy anything besides S&W... I am very happy with them!

Just my luck that a month after I purchase they come out with the 3 free magazine offer!! I missed the two free mag offer in December too!! Frustrating :mad:

One of the videos that really sold me on the 40c (not sure why, but I've watched it like 5 times) is on youtube by a guy named mixflip. It's entitled "S&W M&P 40 compact - Glock Killer?" Check it out - if you have a spare 15 minutes, it's well worth your time!

A website called Sportsmans Outdoor Superstore has the M&P 40c with or without safety (models 106303 or 109303) for $419.99. Not sure how you feel about ordering a firearm online, but I've heard good things about SOSS. I sure wish I would've seen that price on the 40c before ordering because it beats the heck out of my local gun shop's price!
 
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Go for it if you want to. Nothing wrong with either one (Glock or M&P). When it comes to external safeties on these particular guns I feel that it's all in your head. Of course some guns do need them but I don't see how these do. If it's holstered on you I don't see how kids can make it go off. If it's laying around and kids get a hold of it they can just as easily disengage the safety.
 
I hear you ( OP ) about the safety. For people who are acustomed to them , they are no hindrence. In the abstract I prefer guns with them , but it's not a dealbreaker .

If you WANT one ( presumably a 40c ) , no reason not to.

For myself , I if want more bigger than a 9mm, I want signifigently bigger ( disclaimer - I am one of those people unmoved with .40 .)

MY answer to : Compact-ish , powerful , capability to use full size mags w/ sleeve , readily available conversion bbls for other cals , or longer lengths for ballistic advantage led me to a Gen3 Glock 29sf. But that's me and my hand. You pick what feels right to you.
 
I hear you ( OP ) about the safety. For people who are acustomed to them , they are no hindrence. In the abstract I prefer guns with them , but it's not a dealbreaker .

If you WANT one ( presumably a 40c ) , no reason not to.

For myself , I if want more bigger than a 9mm, I want signifigently bigger ( disclaimer - I am one of those people unmoved with .40 .)

MY answer to : Compact-ish , powerful , capability to use full size mags w/ sleeve , readily available conversion bbls for other cals , or longer lengths for ballistic advantage led me to a Gen3 Glock 29sf. But that's me and my hand. You pick what feels right to you.

I forgot all about what Bigfoot said regarding extended barrels! You can also buy the "extended" 4.25 inch .40 barrel (for the M&P .40 full size) from Storm Lake and/or 4.25 inch ".40 to 9mm conversion" barrel and use it in your 40c. It will stick out the front of the slide about .75 inches, but might enhance your accuracy a bit vs. the standard 3.5 inch 40c barrels.

I remember a crazy video Hickok45 did once where he put a 6 or 9 inch Lone Wolf barrel in one of his Glocks (I think it was a G19 or G23) and although it looked stupid as hell, it definitely enhanced the accuracy. Not sure if .75 inches would enhance yours that much, so it might not be worth having it stick out the front of the slide. It all comes down to what works for you, but it's nice to have options and that's what the 40c gives its owners plenty of in my opinion!

My Shield has an external safety and that's what I usually carry if I'm CCing (I bought my Shield before the model w/o the safety was available). I don't often choose to get an external safety on a gun I am going to use mainly at the range or while hunting because I believe that if you practice proper grip and trigger discipline protocols, you don't need an external safety. However, after owning it for a while, I've found that I do feel a little safer having the external safety on my Shield when carrying because it has its own little recess in the slide and requires a good, firm push to actuate it. I doubt it would be easy to disengage it unintentionally. I am not personally a fan of the M&P full size and compact models with external safeties. They're ambidextrous and the ones I've held were all easier to actuate (accidentally) compared to the external safety on my Shield. In fact I remember seeing a youtube video that a guy made with a full size M&P 40 where, due to his grip, he kept accidentally activating the safety while shooting at the range. I do not have kids yet, so I don't have to worry about carrying around them. That's a whole different set of considerations. I think a Shield with an external safety might be a nice option for you to consider. However, plenty of people seem to enjoy their M&P full size or compact that has the external safety. So you may find that you like it, or at the very least, that it doesn't bother you. I'd go to your LGS and handle one a little bit and see what you think of the M&P with the external safety.

Another positive of the Shield IMO is that the external safety is only on the right side... so if you're a "righty" and you carry it on your right side IWB or by your back, no one can easily actuate the safety from the outside. As I mentioned above, the M&P full size and compact have their external safety on both sides of the slide... so I guess it would be easier for someone to accidentally actuate it on or off. Have you ever considered the Shield 9 or Shield .40 for your dual-purpose CCW and nightstand weapon? You will have 2 or 3 less rounds if using it for nightstand duty vs. the M&P FS and compact, but you could just keep an extra Shield mag nearby if you need it for home defense. Also, Veridian makes a light that mounts on the Shield (but this might make it tougher to CC) or you could just use a hand held flash light w/ the Shield if something goes bump in the night. Hopefully I haven't just confused you more :eek:
 
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Funny, but I wandered onto the forum this morning because I too am toying with swapping out my Glock 23 for an M&P. Not long ago I bought a .40 Shield that I'm head over heals crazy mad in love with! It is now well broken in with ~400 rounds down range, it is totally reliable, powerful, and concealable. Way more concealable than the G23, and being neither a cop nor a crook I don't worry much about the Shield's lower capacity since the tradeoff is far greater concealability.

Which brings me around to the OP's question. If you've got a Shield and a Bodyguard, IMHO you're pretty well set for concealed carry guns. (I've got a 642 J-frame for my pocket...) Seems to me you're thinking of swapping a compact Glock (excellent gun) and I don't see how you come out much better with a compact M&P. The full size M&P, on the other hand, may be more enjoyable to practice with and the extra magazine capacity is kinda nice for a house gun.

If you're thinking of the .40c for a more powerful carry gun than you 9mm Shield, I'd suggest the .40 Shield! That also solves your caliber consolidation consideration and you get another new gun out of it. :-)

I hope these thoughts help. I think I've at least gone ahead and talked myself into a full size .40! I'll likely trade my bedside G21 at the same time, come to think of it. I've never gotten happy with its fat grip. I'll just sleep with my Shield until the new one's broken in good.
 
I purchased an M&P with a thumb safety, I too thought it would be better. I was very disappointed, the thumb safety would come off in the holster it gives a false sense of security. I got rid of the M&P. I would keep the Glock.
 
I sold my G23 specifically to buy a M&P 40 for the same reason you mention. I have to admit, the Glock has a better trigger, but in all other areas I prefer the M&P. I have since picked up a used 9mm barrel for it and have the best of both worlds.
 
I have been trying to decide the same thing for the last 6 months, so, today went out & bbought the Shield 9 & keeping my 23.
Love the Shield!! Shoots fantastic & makes me look better than I am. Feels great.
Safety was one of the reasons I bought it, used to my old Colt 1911 that I sold like an idiot.
 
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Well I went to a gun show this past weekend and was offered $225 for it. I have put a 100 rounds through it and it is in new condition. There is no way I am selling it for that. The guy told me he would sell it for $300. Yeah right.
I am going to keep it and just save up for the 45c.
 
The 45c is slightly larger than the 40c, and to my mind is the perfect size. About like a glock 19, or maybe a Commander. I think you will like it.
 
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If you "really like it" keep it and save up for whatever you're thinking about.
Trading away a gun you like is sure to get you a gun you don't ! And then you get to sing the "I wish I had kept it" song.
Don't ever get rid of a gun you like.
Gary
 
Well I went to a gun show this past weekend and was offered $225 for it. I have put a 100 rounds through it and it is in new condition. There is no way I am selling it for that. The guy told me he would sell it for $300. Yeah right.
I am going to keep it and just save up for the 45c.

I will gladly give you $226 for it :D. I think you are making a good choice by keeping the glock and getting the 45c, look into a 9mm conversion for the 23, they can be had pretty cheap and will pay for itself with what you save in ammo.
 
If you "really like it" keep it and save up for whatever you're thinking about.
Trading away a gun you like is sure to get you a gun you don't ! And then you get to sing the "I wish I had kept it" song.
Don't ever get rid of a gun you like.
Gary

This is very solid advice. I've bought/sold/traded a lot of guns over the years and, though I didn't hate most that I sold off, I regret very few being gone now. Save up a bit longer, then put the Glock in the safe once you have its 'replacement'. When it's been collecting dust for a year or so is plenty of time to decide to let it go. Don't worry, you'll want something else by then. :D

For what it's worth, as I suggested in my earlier post, I went ahead and traded off my G23 along with G21 for a 5" 40 Pro Series that I'm starting to love a lot. But the G23 had been shelved for a couple of years and the G21 I genuinely didn't like very much.
 
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