Thinking of supressing my 15-22

[Dirt Dart]

I think there is a limit on how far the trust can go for individuals -- can't be perpetual, but it is around 120 years or something like that. So as long as the trust stays going, there shouldn't need to be a transfer, but that assumes the trust is well written. What I was getting at is that I don't think an item in a trust can go tax free from that trust to an individual or another trust...but I'm not sure.

I believe you are correct. Trusts and corporations are legal entities. You pay the transfer tax on them for items coming and going, just like an individual.

The benefit, amongst others, is that all trustees and officers respectively can legally be in possession of the registered item.

 

[les strat]

trust me, i too am thinking about quiet food gathering under an SHTF situation. thats why i bought a sick crossbow.

In an SHTF what are you gonna hunt with a suppressed .22? squirrels, rabbits? id much rather suppress a .223/5.56.

Absolutely. Meals that get eaten all at once with no waste is a good thing. .223 is overkill for rodents.

Got the bow covered for larger prey.

 

[roadkill45]

yes, but you only pay the tax once with a trust. every one else on a trust, after you croak, as long as they are listed do not have to pay anything.
you can add and delete people, if you say want to borrow my blackout with the can, all i do is write you into the appendix and give you a copy and you can use it anytime. once done, i just take you off and re-notarize it. no biggie.
the trust stays active until the last person in succession, then they will have to renew it. i'll be long gone and they'll have phasers by then so i'm not too concerned about it!!!

most people use trusts to get around the CLEO signature, prints and pics. me, aside from that (i have some individual ones also not on the trust and i have to pay a transfer if I want to put them in the trust since it is going from me to another entity) i used mine specifically for the purpose of passing down through the family and letting my friends shoot them.
technically, according to the ATF, if you give your NFA to a person standing next to you at the range to shoot, even if you are a foot away, it can be considered an illegal transfer!! hows that for some ****!

 

[les strat]

yes, but you only pay the tax once with a trust. every one else on a trust, after you croak, as long as they are listed do not have to pay anything.
you can add and delete people, if you say want to borrow my blackout with the can, all i do is write you into the appendix and give you a copy and you can use it anytime. once done, i just take you off and re-notarize it. no biggie.
the trust stays active until the last person in succession, then they will have to renew it. i'll be long gone and they'll have phasers by then so i'm not too concerned about it!!!

most people use trusts to get around the CLEO signature, prints and pics. me, aside from that (i have some individual ones also not on the trust and i have to pay a transfer if I want to put them in the trust since it is going from me to another entity) i used mine specifically for the purpose of passing down through the family and letting my friends shoot them.
technically, according to the ATF, if you give your NFA to a person standing next to you at the range to shoot, even if you are a foot away, it can be considered an illegal transfer!! hows that for some ****!

BO and the ATF is about to do away with the NFA trusts for cans and certain weapons.

http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/pending-regs/318133-white-house-reviewing-draft-gun-control-rule

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Caution: Once you buy a rimfire can you'll want to thread the barrel on every .22 you own... else they're likely to just sit in the safe.

The biggest thing is having a place to shoot suppressed where others aren't shooting. Fortunately for me, there's often no one at the rifle club through the week. Otherwise, if someone only has access to a range on weekends when it's always crowded then it's just a waste. I get a kick out the guys I see on YouTube making vids of their new can while a guy right next to them is banging away with a .357mag.

Shooting suppressed .22s... once you try it there's no going back.



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[RedNeck Jim]

Caution: Once you buy a rimfire can you'll want to thread the barrel on every .22 you own... else they're likely to just sit in the safe.

All 3 of my 22s are now threaded & patiently waiting (not really) for the government to get off their arse & send me the stamp.

Phil, curious about something. I know you need to keep your paperwork with the suppressor at all times & have heard of folks reducing it down & keeping it in their wallet. What about shooting a pic of it & keeping it on your smartphone? Does that work?

 

[cjt50]

All 3 of my 22s are now threaded & patiently waiting (not really) for the government to get off their arse & send me the stamp.

Phil, curious about something. I know you need to keep your paperwork with the suppressor at all times & have heard of folks reducing it down & keeping it in their wallet. What about shooting a pic of it & keeping it on your smartphone? Does that work?

Ditto on above, I'm 2 month into the "wait"

Interesting idea about the "form" on a smart phone, but I wouldn't want to be the test case... Knowing the guberment, it's probably verbotten.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

All 3 of my 22s are now threaded & patiently waiting (not really) for the government to get off their arse & send me the stamp.

Phil, curious about something. I know you need to keep your paperwork with the suppressor at all times & have heard of folks reducing it down & keeping it in their wallet. What about shooting a pic of it & keeping it on your smartphone? Does that work?

Good question. I don't know. Problem is, it's the goverment so you're likely to get three different answers... yes, no and maybe. I just keep a copy in my truck and range bags. Never heard of the Feds coming to the club checking anyone for anything. But knowing my luck... .the battery on my iPhone would go dead.

 

[Majorlk]

Good question. I don't know. Problem is, it's the goverment so you're likely to get three different answers... yes, no and maybe. I just keep a copy in my truck and range bags. Never heard of the Feds coming to the club checking anyone for anything. But knowing my luck... .the battery on my iPhone would go dead.

I am unaware of anyone checking at my club's range, either, and we have lots of club members and non-club shooters with NFA firearms and/or suppressors. Needless to say, the RO's don't check, either. It's not our responsibility.

 

[Little Creek]

I have a 22rf sound suppressor. I have threaded barrels on my M&P
15-22 and my M&P 22 pistol. I have an adaptor for a standard 10/22 barrel, just fits over the front sight. The suppressor comes apart for cleaning. 22lr shoots dirty. It needs cleaning every 300-350 rounds. I put it back together with grease all over all the internal parts and threads. The 22 rimfire suppressor needs more cleaning than a .223/5.56 suppressor.

I love to shoot steel plates without hearing protection with the suppressed weapons. The sound from the gun is minimal, the action working, etc. The steel plates sound like you are hitting them with a ballpeen hammer.

 

[roadkill45]

that bill will take forever to be approved hopefully, and should grandfather all previous trusts again hopefully. my 2 should be here next month. i have quite a few so the wait really does not bother me, i just forget about it until about the 5.5 month. then i call to ensure it has not been flagged for some reason...called yesterday, all in order.

i keep a shrunk down, front and back, version of the stamp in my wallet. you can get them down to about the size of a biz card when folded. i also keep a full copy in the truck in my book of hunting maps, range data, etc. and i keep a copy in the pistol grip if it has a storage option.
i have never been asked while at range or while hunting and the game warden has stopped and checked my hunting license while on the ATV hunting with 2 suppressed guns on the front snubbers and the shotgun on the back snubbers.

 

[vipermd]

Kayback: Do you mean a chest shot? ( heart/lungs ) or shoulder shot( a lot of damage to meat)
Spicy Tuna- My suppressed 15-22 is quieter than my ten-point crossbow Titan HLX with dampeners
Be Safe,

 

[tacticool22]

As noted above, many deer are poached every year from hunters using a 22LR round.

Granted, a center fire cartridge will do the job more effectively, but a suppressed 5.56 still produces a very audible report. If you are looking for something that will produce not much more than the sound of the bolt cycling; a 15-22 with sub-sonic ammo and a good can will fit the bill nicely.

Poachers are not hunters. They are criminals.
Go with 300 BLK sub sonic with a can if you want to have some serious thump with very little sound.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Go with 300 BLK sub sonic with a can if you want to have some serious thump with very little sound.

Never seen one shot but does seem to do as you state. Is it true that a 5.56 chambered AR can convert to 300 Blackout with simply a barrel change? That everything else on the rifle works, including bolt and magazine?

Biggest problem with that round is cost & availability, which IMO puts it as one of the worst SHTF guns out there.

 

[cjt50]

Yes, that is the beauty of the new round. Uses same mags, bolt etc. Most folks I know that have it just bought a complete upper sans bolt and carrier.

 

[tacticool22]

100% compatibility. Just build a new upper and when you swap uppers, switch the charging handle, bolt and carrier too.
The round is made from .223 / 5.56 ammo. Just cut it to length below the shoulder, neck it down and away you go.

 

[Majorlk]

100% compatibility. Just build a new upper and when you swap uppers, switch the charging handle, bolt and carrier too.
The round is made from .223 / 5.56 ammo. Just cut it to length below the shoulder, neck it down and away you go.

I thought it was necked-up .221 Fireball. Of course the Fireball is a shortened .223.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

100% compatibility. Just build a new upper and when you swap uppers, switch the charging handle, bolt and carrier too.
The round is made from .223 / 5.56 ammo. Just cut it to length below the shoulder, neck it down and away you go.

You are really getting on my nerves. Seems like every time you post something, it costs me money.

 

[vipermd]

I was going to go the upper,barrel, and just switch out BCG, then I figured I would like the BCG to wear with everything equally. So I convinced myself that the lower would not be much more. Found a SKU : 811300,. I bought the gun, put the can on it, and my wife has generously done the break in, zeroing, practice. Lucky me. I may get to fire it soon. It functions with the 208 subs with or with out the can always, the 220 rems do not cycle it with out can. Need to start reloading for it. Enjoy. Be Safe,

 

[nitewatchman]

I thought it was necked-up .221 Fireball. Of course the Fireball is a shortened .223.

.221 (1963) is a shortened .222 (1950) (not really any difference). It was developed at about the same time as the .222Mag (1958) which came from the .222, and the 5.56x45 (1963), and the .223 (1964) which came from the .222Mag.

.222Mag got longer, .221 got shorter, .223 in the middle a little shorter than the .222Mag. I am now messing with a .204Ruger (2004) Upper on an M&P 15 lower which is a grown up .20caliber .222Mag. Looks real promising!

I got my first .221 forty or so years ago in an XP-100 (10" factory barrel). Shot it as a .221 for a couple of weeks and then ran the chamber out to .223. Still the most accurate pistol I have ever shot. Easy 5" 5-shot groups at 200 yards using a 24X scope with microwires and a 1/4 minute dot.

Most impress thing is the muzzle blast. IT IS AWESOME. Everyone usually shoots a good first shot, many are afraid to shoot the second shot and most flinch when the second trigger is pulled. Not much recoil but it really puts the fire in Fireball.

nitewatchman