p8riot
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Have both, a 365XL and a Shield 45. Like them both. If I didn't have so darn much 9mm ammo I probably would ditch the Sig.
This is why I stick with a Shield over a P365
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Whoa... Before someone mistakes my intent.... my intent was never to imply anyone is on a high horse or believed OR portrayed themselves to be perfect. I was merely trying to state my inability to understand why we (all of us) view a modern firearm that we (theoretically at least) picked to use for self defense / target / hunting / plinking in anything other than a pragmatic way.
Even having said that, I am not trying to say to picking one in some NON pragmatic way is incorrect... only that I do not understand it.
Collector guns? Sure. Based on what we like, what we think is attractive, what we think MIGHT increase in value (Although that is somewhat pragmatic) etc., the way we pick clothes, sports cars, or funny looking hats (as one of my grandsons calls the hat I wear).
But to me a self defense weapon is, again, a tool and should be picked based on need, performance, ergonomics to the particular user, reliability, etc. Each of those areas depend on the individual user. If you picked what fits your needs and you have done your part to run it to its and your own potential, who gives a hoot what anyone else thinks? And... why would it need to be referred to as if it was some living thing to be referred to as the brother or sister of some other tool in your kit?
I just don't get it. That's just me.
If my original post in any way angered or offended anyone, I apologize. That was not my intent. My intent was to get us to think about what we are picking to defend our lives and the lives of our families and other innocents in some way more valuable to ourselves AND others, than "does or does not suit my needs" or "is or is not my cup of tea", or "it shoots better".
Just a pet peeve of mine long term, and this happened to be the thread I picked to express my lack of understanding.
Lots of valuable information and VERY helpful, VERY knowledgeable people here. I was just hoping it might help us think about leaving our hearts and prides out of a very important subject like defending ourselves and keep them in our collectors discussions and places like picking out my next funny looking hat.
Even having said that, I am not trying to say to picking one in some NON pragmatic way is incorrect... only that I do not understand it.
Collector guns? Sure. Based on what we like, what we think is attractive, what we think MIGHT increase in value (Although that is somewhat pragmatic) etc., the way we pick clothes, sports cars, or funny looking hats (as one of my grandsons calls the hat I wear).
But to me a self defense weapon is, again, a tool and should be picked based on need, performance, ergonomics to the particular user, reliability, etc. Each of those areas depend on the individual user. If you picked what fits your needs and you have done your part to run it to its and your own potential, who gives a hoot what anyone else thinks? And... why would it need to be referred to as if it was some living thing to be referred to as the brother or sister of some other tool in your kit?
I just don't get it. That's just me.
If my original post in any way angered or offended anyone, I apologize. That was not my intent. My intent was to get us to think about what we are picking to defend our lives and the lives of our families and other innocents in some way more valuable to ourselves AND others, than "does or does not suit my needs" or "is or is not my cup of tea", or "it shoots better".
Just a pet peeve of mine long term, and this happened to be the thread I picked to express my lack of understanding.
Lots of valuable information and VERY helpful, VERY knowledgeable people here. I was just hoping it might help us think about leaving our hearts and prides out of a very important subject like defending ourselves and keep them in our collectors discussions and places like picking out my next funny looking hat.
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I do not own either. I have shot the Shield before but it was nothing to write home about. Off-duty I tend to carry a Glock 27 (.40), a Taurus 709 Slim; a single stack 9mm that shares holsters with the Shield, or a Taurus Poly 605 (polymer .357 snubby). I think that any, including the Shield or 365 will do you fine. I don't know how much wider a Glock 27 would be over a Shield but my 709 is nearly identical size wise.
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The agency I work for thinks Sigs are the second coming. So when it came out I gave the 365 a whirl and found it shot just as well for me at my Shield did. Heck, it even carries more rounds. What kept me with the Shield is price. We aren't issued secondary weapons so I stayed with the Shield.
For my money, I couldn't find a better secondary weapon.
For my money, I couldn't find a better secondary weapon.
What you say is true, no one is offended, opinions are appreciated and, digested as such. So , I strayed from most likes and, chose a FN9C, fits like it was molded to my hand, perfect sight picture on the draw, round capacity is good at 12 rounds. Accuracy is outstanding.
So you see, I'm odd man out, but comfortable.
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I have a Shield 1.0. Really like the gun and hit well with it. But I carry a Ruger LC9S most of the time. Same capacity as the Shield but smaller and lighter. I also shoot very well with it.
But if I was looking for a new carry pistol, I’d probably get the 365. Smaller and lighter than the Shield. Almost identical size and weight to the Ruger. I say probably because I’m not sure that the 3 extra rounds is worth $300 more in price.
I do know I’m not going to sell my Shield or Ruger to buy a new 365. I have too much invested in mags and holsters. And frankly, don’t ever see the day 3 more rounds makes a difference.
But if I was looking for a new carry pistol, I’d probably get the 365. Smaller and lighter than the Shield. Almost identical size and weight to the Ruger. I say probably because I’m not sure that the 3 extra rounds is worth $300 more in price.
I do know I’m not going to sell my Shield or Ruger to buy a new 365. I have too much invested in mags and holsters. And frankly, don’t ever see the day 3 more rounds makes a difference.
Preferably both, backing an AR15.
This is me too. If the insanity ever ends I may still buy a shield. Never have felt a burning need for one - but then I've never had the opportunity to shoot one either. I felt pretty much the same way about my LC9 as the OP does about his shield though. But I just fell in love with the P365 the first time I laid hands on one. I have short fat fingers and the fore and aft dimension as well as the trigger reach are real considerations for me. The P365 is really narrow in that dimension which makes it fit my hand far better than the shield or LC9.As a 365 owner, I had no idea that Shield owners were jealous of me. Makes me feel all fuzzy inside.
Seriously, I have shot a buddy's 9MM PC Shield and he has shot my 365. Both fine guns. He likes his and I like mine. I would feel comfortable carrying his and vice versa.
I bought the 365 because of the idea of all those rounds in that size pistol. I fell in love with it when I shot it better than I shot my G17.
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I've had shields, Glock 43s, and a P365XL.
The shields were the worst, I tried to love em, and eventually they were just so cheap (remember the times of the $240 range w rebates?) that I'd try again, but I found them to be thoroughly unenjoyable pistols. The Glock 43 concealed better, and shot better. Eventually I snagged a 365XL, and sold the Glock after the first range trip. The 365 shoots almost as well as a full sized auto, and conceals as well as the shield. I cannot say enough good things about it.
The shields were the worst, I tried to love em, and eventually they were just so cheap (remember the times of the $240 range w rebates?) that I'd try again, but I found them to be thoroughly unenjoyable pistols. The Glock 43 concealed better, and shot better. Eventually I snagged a 365XL, and sold the Glock after the first range trip. The 365 shoots almost as well as a full sized auto, and conceals as well as the shield. I cannot say enough good things about it.
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One thing that I find funny is that a company called Shield Arms makes 10 round magazines for the Glock 43 which bring it in line with the SIG P365, yet they don't make 10 round magazines for the Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield.
Personally, I think that the Shield's big advantage over the competition is that it comes chambered in cartridges other than 9mm, and that you only lose a single round in the magazine with .40 S&W or .45 ACP, albeit the M&P45 Shield is a bit larger than the 9mm/.40cal version.
Pretty much everything else is strictly 9mm, so that's the Shield's niche. It can't match the P365/Hellcat in terms of capacity, but it comes chambered in larger diameter cartridges with more energy, so there's a trade-off for folks who don't necessarily subscribe to the belief that .40 S&W and .45 ACP offer absolutely no advantage over 9mm Luger.
Personally, I think that the Shield's big advantage over the competition is that it comes chambered in cartridges other than 9mm, and that you only lose a single round in the magazine with .40 S&W or .45 ACP, albeit the M&P45 Shield is a bit larger than the 9mm/.40cal version.
Pretty much everything else is strictly 9mm, so that's the Shield's niche. It can't match the P365/Hellcat in terms of capacity, but it comes chambered in larger diameter cartridges with more energy, so there's a trade-off for folks who don't necessarily subscribe to the belief that .40 S&W and .45 ACP offer absolutely no advantage over 9mm Luger.
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If I had any real fear of engaging in an extended gun battle and reloading in the middle of it, I’d agree with you. But I don’t, and I figure if that ever does happen three rounds isn’t gonna matter. I carry a gun for personal protection. If I didn’t already own a Shield I would very likely buy the 365. S&W does need to offer something to compete capacity wise. But I don’t feel under-gunned.
Yep Glock doesn’t offer a single stack subcompact.40 so it’s a Shield40
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Yep, besides S&W, only Springfield Armory and Taurus offer single stack subcompact .40cal pistols these days, which isn't particularly surprising considering the diminished popularity of the cartridge, not to mention that companies have caught on that you cannot actually just bore out a 9mm barrel for .40 S&W and expect it to be reliable.
I carry the Shield as my EDC. When I was selecting a compact for daily carry I test fired the Shield and P365 (along with others). The ergonomics of both worked for me and I shot both well. My choice of the Shield came down to the fact that for me I shot it better in rapid fire than the P365. I could carry either one with confidence.
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I don't know how you guys shoot these tiny guns.
My "small" gun is a full size 1911.
My "small" gun is a full size 1911.
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Sounds like you want a 9mm revolver.
But in the end they are both nice firearms and to each their own
Maybe we live in different environments? Where I'm at, life is cheap and thugs travel in packs.
That's why I sold my Shield and stepped up to P365.
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