Thoughts on the Walther PPQ?

[Vegetaman]

Been looking at the 9mm Walther PPQ and see them for about $500 to $550 (the M1 is more pricey than the M2 by just a little). These prices seem pretty reasonable, I think?

I originally wanted to look at P99s, but nobody around here even has one to look at. Finally got my hands on a PPQ and I was amazed how well it fit my hand.

What is everybody's thoughts on the PPQ? Would you get it over a P99? Also, would you go for the M1 (paddle release) or the M2 (button release) on the PPQ?

Just looking for some guidance... I don't own any polymer guns, but I think I would like one. And I wasn't a big fan of Glocks, btw.

 

[wrhk33]

They don't work suppressed very well but other than that I really like mine. The grip feels so much better than my G19. I think it has more muzzle flip than others. If the button style is ingrained in you get that one. Choices for sights are still slim.

 

[wx7b]

Vegetaman - I have a PPQ M-1 in 40 S&W and love it! The trigger is outstanding, the grip feel is the way a gun should be, has a rail, and I do like the paddle mag release. The only negative is the bore line is a little high, and hence a bit more muzzle flip. I traded off a Glock M23 for it due to the Glock pointing high for me, and after 50-100 rounds my wrist hurt having to bear down on the target. Trigger leagues above the Glock, and grip too. The PPQ sits by my bed every night. You won't go wrong with one. I would like another in 9mm.

 

[Vegetaman]

Thanks guys. Will check again this weekend but I think I may pull the trigger on buying one!

 

[Engine 21]

I have a PPQ M1 in 9mm and it is smooth. I would have a real difficult time letting it go. The paddle release is the way to go in my opinion.

 

[ATF]

Get an M&P 9mm 4.25" and put an APEX trigger kit in it. Accessories are widely available and it's 17+1 as standard. The Walther is really just a toy. Something to buy when you've got everything else. I much prefer the M&P over a Glock.

 

[JaPes]

The Walther is really just a toy. Something to buy when you've got everything else.

^ That has got to be the funniest thing I've heard today. Good one dude. Please tell me you're joking.

Get an M&P 9mm 4.25" and put an APEX trigger kit in it.

Agreed. To make a M&P pistol's trigger anywhere near acceptable, you need to dump another $100 into the gun on top of what you paid for it + the time & labor to install the kit. Thanks for pointing that out to those that didn't know.

The other choice is to buy a boring old Walther PPQ. You buy it, bring it home, clean it, then go to the range and shoot it. It's boring because you don't have to buy an aftermarket trigger kit for it. It's boring because you don't have to spend the time installing a kit. Buying a gun that is near perfect right out of the box is a silly notion. I don't know why people do it.

/sarcasm

OP, the Wather PPQ is one of the latest striker fired pistols that is taking the striker fired fire control system to the next level. The PPQ trigger has the best trigger break and reset out of the box. The other two pistols that are taking the striker fired fire control system to the next level are the H&K VP9 and SIG P320.

I've had the opportunity to shoot all three. I chose to buy the H&K VP9 first because the grip contour fit me perfectly. The VP9 trigger is excellent, but the PPQ beats it by just a hair. The PPQ (preferably M1) is on my list for this year.

 

[ROK]

^ That has got to be the funniest thing I've heard today. Good one dude. Please tell me you're joking.



Agreed. To make a M&P pistol's trigger anywhere near acceptable, you need to dump another $100 into the gun on top of what you paid for it + the time & labor to install the kit. Thanks for pointing that out to those that didn't know.

The other choice is to buy a boring old Walther PPQ. You buy it, bring it home, clean it, then go to the range and shoot it. It's boring because you don't have to buy an aftermarket trigger kit for it. It's boring because you don't have to spend the time installing a kit. Buying a gun that is near perfect right out of the box is a silly notion. I don't know why people do it.

/sarcasm

OP, the Wather PPQ is one of the latest striker fired pistols that is taking the striker fired fire control system to the next level. The PPQ trigger has the best trigger break and reset out of the box. The other two pistols that are taking the striker fired fire control system to the next level are the H&K VP9 and SIG P320.

I've had the opportunity to shoot all three. I chose to buy the H&K VP9 first because the grip contour fit me perfectly. The VP9 trigger is excellent, but the PPQ beats it by just a hair. The PPQ (preferably M1) is on my list for this year.

The trigger on the PPQ is amazing. I almost purchased the M2 (button magazine release), when I asked about the H&K VP9. As JaPes wrote, the VP9 is a better fit for me.

There are no losers pitting the PPQ vs a VP9. Either is an excellent choice. My choice is the VP9. My next 9mm.

 

[JaPes]

The trigger on the PPQ is amazing. I almost purchased the M2 (button magazine release), when I asked about the H&K VP9. As JaPes wrote, the VP9 is a better fit for me.

PPQ = better trigger.
VP9 = better ergonomics.

I don't mean to convey that the difference between the two is miles wide. The difference between the trigger's is small. The difference between the grip ergos is small. It's the small differences that make it hard to choose between the two.

There are no losers pitting the PPQ vs a VP9.

Add the Sig P320 to the list, and I'll agree with you.

 

[Vegetaman]

I was surprised, but I went back and held a PPQ and the way the grip works fits my hand perfectly (not sure what backstrap was on the floor model, though). Including my pinky.

 

[ATF]

The aftermarket options and spares for the PPQ and VP9 are very thin on the ground and as someone's first poly gun I still recommend an M&P or Glock. The VP9 and PPQ are basically the same gun and I have shot them both. No way I'd change my M&P for either. I haven't shot the 320 and I don't have the desire either. I'll keep my West German P226 with SRT and 20 round mags. As I said if you're looking for something different to add to your collection go for it, but I would stake my life on my M&P and have tuned it to perfection. I never expect something that's going to do everything right out of the box and even if it did I'd want to improve it anyway. If you want to improve the triggers on the PPQ and VP9 it's going to be a gunsmith job. Gray Guns will do it for about $350 and there's those ***** slide releases and hole in the back of the slide and Euro mag release on the VP9. No definitely No. The Walther that does intrigue me is the CCP because it has a gas blowback design and the H&K P2000SK because it's easy to change calibers in such a small pistol. Glad I made you laugh

 

[LVSteve]

Are the M&P triggers that bad these days? I tried one when they first came out and the trigger seemed fine to me for duty gun, and certainly nicer than a Glock.

 

[Toyman]

I am not a polymer frame guy but was in a shop when a PPQ M2 came in. The grip fits my hand like the designer measured it and the trigger pull is great. I ended up buying it have not shot it much but 2 trips to indoor range were very good.

 

[bulldogman]

I had a chance to handle a PPQ and is now on my want list, as a matter of fact I went ahead and sold my M&P FS9 since I grew tired of the rough trigger. I actually liked the M1 paddle mag release after trying it a couple of times.

 

[xb40]

The trigger is amazing. The gun is very easy to shoot accurately. Easy to clean. The button mag release is the way to go (M2). I have no complaints, good buy.

 

[JaPes]

The aftermarket options and spares for the PPQ and VP9 are very thin on the ground

The aftermarket options are "thin on the ground" because:

1. They're new.
2. Their stock triggers are just right out of the box. There's no problem to solve.

Glocks and M&P's are good pistols, but neither has a good trigger out of the box. That's what spurred the aftermarket to create replacement components. I've owned M&P pistols. I own Glocks. I had to modify both to get a range gun just the way I want, just like you have.

as someone's first poly gun I still recommend an M&P or Glock.

I'm with you there, with the addition of the Sig SP2022.

The VP9 and PPQ are basically the same gun and I have shot them both. No way I'd change my M&P for either. I haven't shot the 320 and I don't have the desire either.

That puts your whole opinion into perspective. Since you don't perceive a difference, you don't see the point. That I can understand. You've set up your M&P and Glock just the way you want. Once you have a gun that's exactly the way you want, nothing else will compare.

I'll keep my West German P226 with SRT and 20 round mags.

I'll keep my P226 Tacops with a short reach and short reset trigger and 20 round mags. I'll keep my W. German P220 with a short reach and short reset trigger with 7 and 8 round mags.

We have something in common. Alloy frame, DA/SA, hammer fired Sigs with the outstanding SRT triggers. I like polymer frame pistols, but I like steel/aluminum frame pistols even more.

The Walther that does intrigue me is the CCP because it has a gas blowback design and the H&K P2000SK because it's easy to change calibers in such a small pistol. Glad I made you laugh

At least I agree with 50% here. The H&K P2000SK is one fine pistol.

From what you've said about your M&P, Glock, and the fact you own a W.German Sig P226 with a SRT, I know you'll agree with me. The Walther CCP is built by Umarex, and anything Umarex is questionable.

My local small gun store had a CCP come in. The shop owner and I looked over the pistol. The trigger is horrible. The overall build quality wasn't what I would expect from Walther. Once I saw the Umarex proof mark, it explained everything.

Sorry if I sound overly argumentative. It's hard to convey tone over the internet. It's easier to have a friendly conversation over different pistols in person over a few beers.

 

[JaPes]

Are the M&P triggers that bad these days? I tried one when they first came out and the trigger seemed fine to me for duty gun, and certainly nicer than a Glock.

IMO, they've always left something to be desired. The hinged trigger face induces a mushy feel. The trigger reset was vague. I'm not sure whether or not this has been remedied in new production run pistols.

As to whether or not a stock M&P trigger or a stock Glock trigger is nicer, that's up to the nut behind the trigger.

 

[ATF]

JaPes Thanks for saving me the time to look over the CCP. It's crossed off my list. The PPQ and VP9 are fine guns just not my preferred choice but that's what it's all about. Good to have an intelligent debate

 

[Vegetaman]

Interesting about Umarex, did not know that.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

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