Timing belt?

bigolddave

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I have a 2005 Chrysler T&C that is just about to hit 90K. I cannot find anything in the service manual about replacing the timing belt, but I know it is something that needs to be done at some point. I really don't want to ask the service guy, as he is inclined to over-recommend service, but I don't want to end up stuck in the middle of nowhere with a dead engine. Any enlightened opinions?
 
Depends on the manufacturer, vehicle, and maybe some other things. My Honda is 90k to 100k, my lady friend's Toyota is 60k.

Are you certain your model has a belt rather than a chain? If a vehicle has a belt and the maintenance section of the owners manual doesn't say when it needs to be replaced, shame a thousand times on the manufacturer for not saying so -unless they're making belts now that last the life of the car.

Andy
 
As the others have posted, it varies from vehicle to vehicle.

You biggest concern is: Is my engine an interference or Non-Interference engine.

THis means that if the timing belt breaks....will the pistons come up and hit the valves and damage/break or is there enough clearance that this will not happen if the belt breaks.

THis too varies from vehicle to vehicle.
 
If your V-6 is overhead cam, it has a belt. Chrysler also made some pushrod engines that could be in your vehicle.

Some of the v-6s are non-interference, some aren't. If your belt breaks, you can bet you have an interference engine if your luck runs like mine.

So, what engine ya got?
 
My wife's 2005 Town and Country has the 3.8 liter V6. It's coming up on 90K and I just checked with the dealer service department and was told it has a timing chain...no belt. Being the untrusting soul that I am, I verified this by having their parts man double check...same results..the 3.8 definitely has a timing chain. Heck of a good engine. Plenty of power, good mileage, and with the exception of having a noisy idler pulley bearing replaced, the T&C has never required any service beyond normal PM.
 
I have the 3.8 Liter V6. What difference is there in terms of performance between the belt and the chain? Gradual wear/noise versus catastrophic failure? I think I have a non-interference engine, but darned if I really know. The vehicle has been mechanically very trouble free, with only a couple of minor problems, and I would like to run it another 50K; I suppose with that plan, it makes sense to replace the belt/chain soon, seeing I probably wiil have to do it eventually, but only once.
 
bigolddave,

I haven't had a car with a chain-driven cam in quite some time, but I know that the older ones would generally last the life of the car(But then again cars now generally last longer than the older ones.). When one DID wear out, as I recall, it didn't cause the same disastrous colliding of valves and pistons mentioned earlier. I believe it just started making some noise which anyone with experience could diagnose. I wouldn't worry about the issue at all if your engine has the chain, particularly since no maintenance interval is mentioned in the manual.

I've replaced three timing belts myself in the last 10-12 years or so; they definitely need replaced periodically. They endure a whale of a lot of stress, which causes fatigue over time until they finally snap. Not the case with a steel chain.

Best,
Andy
 
Asked my mechanic about why belts instead of chains that have worked with no problems for years. He said they were quieter, and, more important, gave dealerships the ability to charge $600-800 for replacement. He does them too, and suggests replacing the water pump at the same time as long as he has the front end disassembled.
 
Sir - If you have the chain drive, it does not need to be serviced. It is self lubed and will almost last forever. The belt is another story - find out which one you have.
 
I have the 3.8 Liter V6. What difference is there in terms of performance between the belt and the chain? Gradual wear/noise versus catastrophic failure? I think I have a non-interference engine, but darned if I really know. The vehicle has been mechanically very trouble free, with only a couple of minor problems, and I would like to run it another 50K; I suppose with that plan, it makes sense to replace the belt/chain soon, seeing I probably wiil have to do it eventually, but only once.

The Chrysler 3.8L is a pushrod engine. As such, it has a camshaft in the block which actuates the overhead valves via pushrod; that is, it is NOT an overhead cam ("OHC") engine. The camshaft is driven by a simple chain on two sprockets.

While chains stretch over their lifetimes, you do not need to have this chain replaced, or even inspected. You do not need to further investigate whether you have a belt or a chain because it has a chain.

The issue of interference is moot with this engine. Sure, the chain could break but it's virtually unheard of, so I'd not worry about it.

How do I know all of this? Welllll... I have a 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan with the 3.3L engine, which is a sibling of your 3.8L engine. Also, I'm a global mod at the Chrysler Minivan Fan forum, so as a result of my experience there (and with cars in general), I'm pretty familiar with these vans and the engines. You can read about the pushrod family of Chrysler V6's here: Chrysler/Dodge 3.3 - 3.5 - 3.8 V6 engines

For clarity, the fourth generation van (which you have) had only three engines:

2.4L four cylinder, available only in the short wheel base models. I would have to see if these engines had a timing belt, but I think the answer was "yes".

3.3L V6 and 3.8L V6. These engines are very similar to each other.

There was a 3.0L V6 (made by Mitsubishi) which had single overhead cams and was belt driven, but it was discontinued before the fourth generation vans debuted. It was a non-interference engine.

The 4.0L DOHC was not available in the fourth generation vans. It first appeared in the fifth generation vans in MY 2008. It was sold alongside the venerable 3.3L/3.8L pushrods and was the first Mopar minivan to have a six-speed transmission.

MY 2011 is remarkable, as it is the first year in which there is a single engine/transmission combo in the Mopar vans. The 3.6L Pentastar family of V6's has eliminated both the 4.0L and pushrod engines. It's a significant improvement over any V6 Chrysler has ever produced. It makes a whopping 283 HP in minivan trim, and is mated to a six speed, which I expect to increase by two more gears by 2014, when Sergio Marchionne and Co. say the sixth generation van will appear.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks for all of your input. My mind is now at ease; chain, not belt, and non-interference = probably no problem!
 
The fourth generation Mopar minivans have a large list of routine issues, including the following:

-- Corroding rear heater pipes where the pipes end and are joined to a rubber hose.
-- Routinely deterioriating front sway bar end links and front sway bar bushings.
-- Clogged power steering reservoir screen, the usual solution to which is a replacement of the entire reservoir, or removal and a flushing with something capable of acting as a solvent for ATF+4. NOTE: the factory power steering fill in the fourth gen Mopar minivan is ATF+4, *not* standard power steering fluid.
-- Water pumps that love to grenade earlier than expected.
-- Failed decoupler pulleys on alternators.
-- Unreliable power liftgate motors.

If you have any issues like these or otherwise, send me a PM. I may be able to assist with diagnosis.

The good news is that the pushrod V6's seem nearly indestructible. It is rare to read about serious problems with them on the forum. Transmissions, well... they're better than they used to be.
 
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