Tisas Changes

[Dangerman]

I'm not familiar with SAR. These appear to be conventional DA/SA. Is that right? Look to be a step above a striker gun.

B6 has Always one of the biggest sleepers in the world of firearms for the last 25-30 years. That design for the Sar has been made/imported by a bunch of outfits over the years. They are actually originally from Tanfoglio. Tanfoglio helped in a joint effort to set up production in Turkey. Tanfoglio still makes a newer version now under their "Force" series. Well vetted and seen use all over the world.

SAR9 is no slouch either

• NATO Trials: The SAR9 (derived from Sarsılmaz's experience with Tanfoglio designs) won a five-year NATO trial, reportedly outperforming competitors from Glock, SIG Sauer, and HK after a 90,000-round endurance test.

LE in Texas is using the SAR9
https://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/new_detail/turkish-weapon-sarsilmaz-becomes-a-police-weapon-in-the-us

 

[Dangerman]

Big fan of SAR here. Sold 10 S&W revolvers last year for large $$$, bought 4 SAR 9mm for less than $1K. They are 100% reliable, I'll let you know if they are durable.
PS, if you want them to work 100%, buy some "CZ factory gloss finish 17 rd magazines" which fit and function in all guns pictured (they stick out an inch on the B6C). Joe
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Nice job ... you know a good firearm when you see it. These have had a bit of a cult following for many years.

You are not the first person to have the WTH??? moment on these. Its happened a lot over the years. Strong frames and they have a low bore axis. They have always been overlooked. Might need a little break in but after that they basically run everything. Chambers are fully supported as well.

 

[JMag]

Never heard any TISAS are now "Made in the USA"...?

Canik either, until recently. Tisas may follow suit.

 

[Phenix]

Never heard any TISAS are now "Made in the USA"...?

They are only moving their warehouse and some admin people here, according to the story. I don’t see them moving their factory here. Too much trouble and the labor costs here would be too high for them to keep their competitive price point.

 

[dben002]

They are only moving their warehouse and some admin people here, according to the story. I don’t see them moving their factory here. Too much trouble and the labor costs here would be too high for them to keep their competitive price point.

If you go here https://tisasusa.com/ they offer no models for sale. what up wid dat?

 

[Puller]

Good business move by Tisas. Don't see how cutting out some of the middle costs in distribution will drive up their overall product costs.

Some of you guys just see a booger man in everything, even if it's not there.

 

[65-2x2]

Hopefully they can keep at least their base models down.

This is what Im talking about though... Titas 10mm is around $850. Colt Delta Elite can be found for $1,100 pretty easily... sometimes lower depending on the time of the year. Its a tough call. I would probably have to go with the Colt IDK. In the unfortunate event you ever had to sell one the Colt will hold its value and be easier to sell than a used Tisas.

Maybe if Tisas moves production here is can offset some of the production costs with profits made on their polymer lines. Then they could at least keep the base model no frills 1911s down in price IDK. Not sure what Tisas business model is other than low cost options to break into market shares.

The domestic competition is good as it "in theory" should also help keeping costs down on other domestic 1911 manufacturers but sometimes these big dogs like Colt/CZ wont budge. Sometimes they actually RAISE prices to differentiate themselves as being more of an elite offering. H&K did that with manufacturers way back when you could pick up an HK p7M8 for maybe $150 more than a beretta. Then HK decided to start having yearly massive price increases to differentiate it from others.

It may be difficult for them to move here and keep low pricing. Factory workers in Turkey make around 6-7 dollar
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I realize by your comments you're very well informed.

I've had a local gunshop do transfers for me over the years. I've never paid $50.00 for one. Every transaction took well longer than three minutes, not to mention unpacking the gun after it was received, logging it in, perhaps other bookkeeping, calling the customer, calling in the background check, maybe more. I've never heard of anyone in the gun business bellyaching about receiving a gun.

Ease up a little. Most of the gunshop guys are trying to make a living, not shake down their customers.

My big problem was not the money, it was the disrespectful diatribe I endured.

 

[stansdds]

Tisas might be doing what Springfield Armory did. When Springfield Armory came onto the scene, the parts for their 1911's were made in Brazil and assembled in the U.S. Tisas may be doing the same thing, make the parts in Turkey, assemble them into complete firearms in the U.S.

 

[65-2x2]

I realize by your comments you're very well informed.

I've had a local gunshop do transfers for me over the years. I've never paid $50.00 for one. Every transaction took well longer than three minutes, not to mention unpacking the gun after it was received, logging it in, perhaps other bookkeeping, calling the customer, calling in the background check, maybe more. I've never heard of anyone in the gun business bellyaching about receiving a gun.

Ease up a little. Most of the gunshop guys are trying to make a living, not shake down their customers.

Oh, make no mistake, I have eased up. He won't get another dime of my money, and I have earned the right to badmouth him to anyone that will listen. Perhaps he will learn not to be insulting to the people who pay his rent.

 

[pharmer]

I'm not familiar with SAR. These appear to be conventional DA/SA. Is that right? Look to be a step above a striker gun.

Yes, SA/DA. The only complaint is the safety; no sa/da needs a safety; decocker only please. I don't carry these guns because of it, I have to lower the hammer on a live round. I have done this hundreds of times over a 50 year period, safely. One time I was on the firing line practising DA-SA "transitions" and the hammer slipped. I was careless and I will never forget the (ouch) result. Joe

 

[Farmer17]

PSA had Tisas 45 acp Tank Commanders for $299 a month ago they sold out fast and I sure wish I would have bought one. Thats about the best firearm value I can think of in a long time. I wish they would make reproductions of old S&W revolvers and autos. If they would use black chrome instead of polished blue that would be OK if they would make a M-19, M-27, M-29, M-39, M-41, etc. for 500 bucks that would be sweet!

 

[Puller]

Tisas might be doing what Springfield Armory did. When Springfield Armory came onto the scene, the parts for their 1911's were made in Brazil and assembled in the U.S. Tisas may be doing the same thing, make the parts in Turkey, assemble them into complete firearms in the U.S.

Frankly, utilizing any U.S. labor will just drive up the cost, even if it's just for assembly. Looks like Tisas is mainly cleaning up their distribution channel.

 

[Bullseye Smith]

Im probably going to go back to Metro Arms (Now "Tristar") being tops for the foreign import entry level 1911s now. Tisas had the edge for non MIM parts for me but if they are domestic now they are not imports anymore. I guess RIA is number 2 again.

MIM parts in a S&W I can say they have a tighter spec's in size and fit than the older Smith's. Doing a trigger job is way easier with the MIM parts. I have shot 1000's of rounds in my MIM Smith's and never had a problem with any of them.

 

[Dangerman]

PSA had Tisas 45 acp Tank Commanders for $299 a month ago they sold out fast and I sure wish I would have bought one. Thats about the best firearm value I can think of in a long time. I wish they would make reproductions of old S&W revolvers and autos. If they would use black chrome instead of polished blue that would be OK if they would make a M-19, M-27, M-29, M-39, M-41, etc. for 500 bucks that would be sweet!

I would like to see Tisas have a go at making a Makarov. Tokarev, Broomhandle Mausers, and Lugers if possible as well. One can only dream though.

Took me a long time for Turkey to win me over but they did it surprisingly. Hopefully they stay on course.

 

[stansdds]

MIM parts in a S&W I can say they have a tighter spec's in size and fit than the older Smith's. Doing a trigger job is way easier with the MIM parts. I have shot 1000's of rounds in my MIM Smith's and never had a problem with any of them.

Kimber gave MIM a bad reputation with their 1911's and it was only the early MIM parts that broke.

 

[crasig]

I Noticed SAR & TISAS being discussed here. I've known about them a few years, & took advantage of their great prices on 2 Stainless handguns I wanted. My Stainless Tisas "Regent" Hi Power clone Is much better made than the FNs I've examined & the ONLY stainless HP I'm aware of. I liked it SO MUCH - I Purchased a Stainless "SARSILMAS 2000" CZ-75B Clone. I had become a DA/SA Fan, & the SAR is similar in size, shape, & weight to my HP Clone - in fact it almost seems like it is an evolved offspring. I'm very proud of them, & would recommend ALL to everyone. I'd like a .45 Tisas 1911 - BUT, I already own a fine Stainless Ruger SR-1911 - that I've personalized. It is beautifully made as well. VERY fond of Stainless Steel.

 

[Jaco1234]

You can't run a gun store on transfers.
Many of the guns online are dropped shipped from a supplier.
Wait until all your local gun stores close up, and you have to drive 50 miles to go to Bass pro or Cabela's. They give real personalized service.

 

[Warren Sear]

I would like to see Tisas have a go at making a Makarov. Tokarev, Broomhandle Mausers, and Lugers if possible as well. One can only dream though.

Took me a long time for Turkey to win me over but they did it surprisingly. Hopefully they stay on course.

I am surprised that no one has re-produced the Bren Ten. I would think that would be a big seller.

 

[stansdds]

I am surprised that no one has re-produced the Bren Ten. I would think that would be a big seller.

I know that two companies did try to resurrect the Bren Ten. Both attempts failed.

 

[Dangerman]

I am surprised that no one has re-produced the Bren Ten. I would think that would be a big seller.

Agreed...Closest thing out there is probabably the Tanfoglio 10mm. The Grand Power 10mm IMO is a decent candidate IMO of how the Bren ten should have ended up.. Rotary Barrel etc. Neither though are what I would consider accurate productions because so many changes are made. Tanfoglio is basically a CZ75 in 10mm though.

Biggest problem with Bren Ten reproduction atttempts as its been from Smaller start ups compared to a Major manufacturer. Same goes for the Automag. These smaller manufacturers hit a snag or two and then everything falls apart.

 

[Dangerman]

I know that two companies did try to resurrect the Bren Ten. Both attempts failed.

It really needs to be CZ that eventually does a Bren Ten. I have to think they have considered it being that Copper basically worked the 10mm from the CZ75. CZ is also not scared of Legacy type pistol productions and is high quality.

First attempt I remember was the Peregrine Falcon back when I was a kid. Last attempt was not as far back but I cant remember who had a go at it... Yes it also failed. CZ did make a few CZ97 in 10mm but I think they were just a small number.

Really needs to be the actual Bren Ten though IMO. CZ97 is just more of a CZ75. Its a good starting point though because its bassically a large frame CZ75 type design.

IMO most of the design work is already done... CZ might have to tweek things a little like smaller parts durability but being they made or converted a few CZ97 into 10mm they already have it figured out. Be pretty easy to get the ball rolling. Through Colt on the side of it upon initial release to get the Market engaged more like they did with the Pythons.... which were massive hits.