Titegroup 9mm Question for 147gr Load Data

[rwsmith]

I got really good accuracy with heavy for caliber 9mm bullets and light loads of Acc #7. I was experimenting with 9mm bullets cast and jacketed) up to 165 gr (maybe more but it was long ago) and the main problem I had was powder space for all but light loads and keeping a workable AOL. But when I got them to work they shot like a dream. (In case you are curious I couldn't get any expansion with an bullet at such low velocities and I would have had to cast my own soft bullets to get anything worthwhile. I don't think I will revisit that because it was a lot of trouble getting them to chamber, shoot and eject).

 

[venomballistics]

I got really good accuracy with heavy for caliber 9mm bullets and light loads of Acc #7. I was experimenting with 9mm bullets cast and jacketed) up to 165 gr (maybe more but it was long ago) and the main problem I had was powder space for all but light loads and keeping a workable AOL. But when I got them to work they shot like a dream. (In case you are curious I couldn't get any expansion with an bullet at such low velocities and I would have had to cast my own soft bullets to get anything worthwhile. I don't think I will revisit that because it was a lot of trouble getting them to chamber, shoot and eject).

That right there is Gods way of telling you to get yourself a 357.

With a 147, theres already a whole lot of bullet in the case. It's viable and it'll make you work for it a little. I can't imagine trying for heavier without ending up with a very frustrating single shot

 

[rwsmith]

That right there is Gods way of telling you to get yourself a 357.

With a 147, theres already a whole lot of bullet in the case. It's viable and it'll make you work for it a little. I can't imagine trying for heavier without ending up with a very frustrating single shot

I've got a model 686. And I used to like to experiment with all kinds of reloading that's off the beaten track. I don't do as much of that as I used to. Now it's mostly for keep a good stock of ammo.

 

[venomballistics]

I've got a model 686. And I used to like to experiment with all kinds of reloading that's off the beaten track. I don't do as much of that as I used to. Now it's mostly for keep a good stock of ammo.

I do much the same lately.
My party trick used to be the relentless pursuit of subsonic nastygrams. Somewhat similar to your aforementioned experiment. I just did it in 30-06 and 45-70. you'll often see me extol the virtues of flat point designs on this board ... that experimentation is why.
I may need to revisit that test series. A few good go to loads did emerge from it, and many relied on stuff no longer available.
Of course, the quest also lead me to more reasonable cartridges for such endeavors. 350 legend might be a fine cartridge for exploitation.
But then ... we've traveled a fair piece from the original subject

 

[Chuck Edwards]

The 9x19 147-grain factory ammo I've chronographed ran from ~900 fps (R-P Golden Saber) to just over 1000 fps (Federal HST) from my full-size Beretta PX4 (4" barrel).

I've used Titegroup for both 9x19 124-grain loads and .38 Special loads when I was shooting IDPA. Going from memory - and I'm old, be careful! - 4.3 grains under a 125-grain Zero JHP went ~1050 fps and would put five rounds in 1.5" at 25 yards from my CZ-75B. About the same load under a 158-grain LRN went ~835 fps from a 4" M10-8, but was smoky and the cylinder got too hot to handle quickly.

I would definitely go with a slower powder along the lines of CFE-P as has been suggested above. My personal favorite is BE-86, a near-twin of CFE-P.

 

[rwsmith]

I do much the same lately.
My party trick used to be the relentless pursuit of subsonic nastygrams. Somewhat similar to your aforementioned experiment. I just did it in 30-06 and 45-70. you'll often see me extol the virtues of flat point designs on this board ... that experimentation is why.
I may need to revisit that test series. A few good go to loads did emerge from it, and many relied on stuff no longer available.
Of course, the quest also lead me to more reasonable cartridges for such endeavors. 350 legend might be a fine cartridge for exploitation.
But then ... we've traveled a fair piece from the original subject

I was getting 1500 fps with a 110 bullet out of a 30-06. The versatility fascinated me but I don't think anything truly useful came out of it, except having a centerfire bolt gun that felt like a .22, which was at least, fun to do. Of course the other end is worth exploring, too. I may still look into the heavy for caliber/light load thing because it seemed to give very good accuracy. I'm glad to see a kindred spirit. Many didn't understand why anybody would want to experiment and say, "Why don't you just buy a .22?" Well I've got a .22 but I have a lot more fun experimenting with centerfire because there's a LOT more you can do with it. Yeah, we are kinda far afield, here, but the heavy light bullet could also apply to 147 gr. 9mm for accuracy.

 

[venomballistics]

I was getting 1500 fps with a 110 bullet out of a 30-06. The versatility fascinated me but I don't think anything truly useful came out of it, except having a centerfire bolt gun that felt like a .22, which was at least, fun to do. Of course the other end is worth exploring, too. I may still look into the heavy for caliber/light load thing because it seemed to give very good accuracy. I'm glad to see a kindred spirit. Many didn't understand why anybody would want to experiment and say, "Why don't you just buy a .22?" Well I've got a .22 but I have a lot more fun experimenting with centerfire because there's a LOT more you can do with it. Yeah, we are kinda far afield, here, but the heavy light bullet could also apply to 147 gr. 9mm for accuracy.

One motive was suppressed work.
The 300 whisper was but a rumor at the time. A cast 150 grain fp from a Lee mold I picked up at a gun show on a whim really rose to the top.
The result was a really accurate series of loads that addressed anything one would use a 22 for, in a platform of quality that precious few 22's could match.
It took on it's own life after that, migrating to 30-30 and 32 special and a few others by friends following these developments.
Some fine "deer rifles" got to come out of retirement for it.
I've replaced this with PCC's before recently finding a 22 I liked in the Springfield 2020 rimfire. It's a fine and proper rifle that is worthy to keep company with the PCC's.
Still... There's something supremely useful from 9mm through 350 legend worth exploration by anyone

 

[judgecrater]

Now new to using Titegroup and wondering why the Hodgdons Titegroup MAX 3.6gr load data for a 147gr XTP is at a low(?) 27,600 CUP @929fps vs. most of the other powders with MAX loads in the 32,000+ psi range? All these loads suggest a 1.100" OAL.

Is this just a specific instance or typical of Titegroup so-called "published" load data? Trying to get to around 1K with a Federal Hi-Shok 147gr jhp (as in the Factory's 9MS)...

Thanks in advance for your kind consideration, and...

Cheers!

I talked to Hodgdon about low pressures on some loads. They said some powders for some cartages become unstable and not safe. I believe them.