TJ's Registered Magnum - What Should He Do? (NEW PHOTOS ADDED 11/29/2007)

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[Edited 5-10-14: In looking over RM threads, I rediscovered this thread and thoroughly enjoyed re-reading the posts from some of the Forum's most expert members. I also was hoping that by running this up the flagpole again, we might find out if Terry has done anything with the gun yet (it has been almost 7 years...). Terry - Are you out there??? - We would love to know if you have done anything with this interesting gun???]There has recently been an interesting and ongoing discussion on another Gun Collector's forum that centered around this revolver. TJ did not post pics on that forum, but I agreed to post them here, and pose the question as to what he should do - Refinish/Restore or Clean and Leave AS IS? The history of the gun includes some time in the hands of a local law enforcement officer. Love to see your thoughts.

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p.s. When I get some more photos I'll post them here...

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does TJ want to keep it and shoot it, keep it and not shoot it, or sell it for a profit? as stated here before, the Kansas City guns were about all refinished and that has not hurt the price of them much and the cost of a great restoration will not be cheap.
 
I know this generated a lot of discussion on the S&WCA forum and that TJ is thoughtfully considering all options. I graciously offer to solve the problem by letting him ship it to me.
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My suggestion is to clean it well, polish it with Flitz then re-evaluate.
 
My view, baldly, is that it looks bloody awful and that TJ oughta save up some bucks and give Dave Chicoine a shout.

(And I also think TJ is a fortunate man to own it and have the choice!
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I think that this Registered has "earned it's stipes" and it's history is written all over it.

If it were me, I'd pay homage and respect to it.

A refinish would make it just another reblued gun.

I was once faced with the same dilema with a 4" registered. Micheal Stern passed it on to me when he couldn't make up his mind either. Ultimately we determined it is an FBI Gun and we were both glad we left it alone.

If it were mine this Registered would be lightly cleaned, oiled, researched and treasured for it's unique history that cost it it's finish.

Drew Sr.
 
If the present condition was the result of it's LE history and that in itself means something in terms of $$, then I guess the best thing to do is leave it alone. I'm going to guess that the unique history of it's present condition is the result of neglect and/or abuse by someone that either forgot about the thing under a wet blanket somewhere, or perhaps it sat unattended after it's last use and handling in a corrosive setting and the results are obvious. Aside from the first senario with supporting documentation etc to show why it looks the way it does and still demand big money, it's a gun that most folks would want to buy for a bargain price for obvious reasons. An excellent restoration would be my pick then. No it won't be cheap. Anything else shouldn't be considered IMHO. No slick-em-up blue jobs. Alot depends on what you have in it, and as 'azmick' says what do you expect to get out of it or want to do with it.
BTW, are the chambers and bore in nice condition? Poor condition there like the outside might make restoration less of a choice.
 
As Dad says, leave the damn thing alone! I'm guesssing the gun won't be a daily shooter/carry gun. If the gun gets refinished, in 10 years you'll be regretting you did it as you watch all-original regmags climb even higher. The gun has seen hard use and paid its dues. Would you refinish a hard-worn Colt SAA? I think not.
 
as musch as i like and prefer originallity i have to say in this case.... please dont let it spend the rest of its life looking like Karl Mauldens face.....
 
I don't pay homage to inanimate objects.

Generally I oppose refinishing except in two circumstances.

1. Gun is so bad something needs to be done.

2. Gun has sentimental value and you want to refinish it even though it means losing money on the deal.

IMO #1 clearly applies here. A good reblue will not reduce the value of that gun as it's so crappy now.
 
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hah! Beer goggles or no, it still doesn;t deserve to be reblued...

going with my earlier analogy, if the gun was a SAA, people would go NUTS with the suggestion of a refinish, even if it was by Doug Turnbull...the RegMags are far less numerable than SAAs, and prices for originals will only go up. I reblued thousands of guns in the 8 years I worked for a gun shop, including a super-rare Winchester 1985 Carbine in .30-40 with ALL THE WOOD, including the upper handguard. The only reason I agreed to do so was on the condition that the owner keep using the gun in the field and the range. Otherwise, the gun deserved to be left in its orginal condition. Same with this RegMag, unless the guy will be using it day in and day out. Leave the gun alone. You'll destroy 75% of the value and 100% of the credibility and dues if you
refinish the gun.
 
Arlo,

No beer tonight... Hornitos Reposado instead... and that fine distillate only effects my judgement when it comes to Mamacitas!

With that kinda fine pitting Dave would have to use flat files followed by stones to blend them... flats would be really flat and radiased surfaces would be smaller.... I'm not sure how good this one could turn out given it's current conditon....

'Cides... wouldn't you want to know the story behind the Blood Spatter? I sure would....

This old War Horse oughta be able to keep it's dignity in my opinion.....

Drew Sr.
 
I've done quite a bit of metal finishing/polishing early on in my welding/fabrication career. This would not be an easy job.

That gun doesn't have "honest wear"...it's been seriously neglected. Without the pitting, I'd re-blue or nickel it in a heartbeat...but the apparent pitting would disqualify it from any kind of quality reblue job, in my opinion...unless the person doing it is literally a miracle worker.

It's a damn shame...but I'd say use it as a paperweight or doorstop.
 
UNLESS (and this is a big unless) this revolver's pitiful cosmetic condition is the direct result of a significant and historically relevant story I have to side with those who suggest a good re-finish. Fair wear-and-tear is one thing but this apparent abuse is something else.
 
My old eyes can't see what's what in the photo so well. Is the metal pitted? If so, then the gun is ruined anyway.

Really, there is no good answer to the question. The gun is junk at this point. That's not honest wear, that abuse and neglect and it's a real shame. I would still refinish it (know it won't look good but will look better than it does now) and shoot it.
 
My opinion, which I posted on the SWCA forum:

"Disclaimer- The following is ALL personal opinion, from a subjective
perspective, and meant to offend NO one in any way. In the spirit of
living in freedom, do what you wish.
To begin, let's define a term: "Restoration". It does not exist for
purposes of this discussion! No gun can be "Restored". It can be very
skillfully REFINISHED, but it can NOT be restored. "Restoration"
would require the impossible- replacing the ORIGINAL finish with the
ORIGINAL finish. "Refinishes" vary greatly in quality, and those that
approach the original factory appearance have come to be
called "Restorations", but they are merely high-quality refineshes.

Collecting is subjective. One collects things one likes for various
reasons. I like S&W Hand Ejectors. I like them like S&W made them. I
do not like them like other people refinish them. I do not like them
like S&W refinished them, even though I have to pull the grips to
tell, sometimes.
In short, I only like original guns. I have not, do not, and will not
put a gun in what I consider "my pile" that has been refinished by
anybody. Will I deal in them? Yes, occasionally. I try to avoid them,
but oftentimes, it is "buy all, or none". Sometimes, like with a Reg
Mag, there are a few bucks to made on a refinished gun alone. (is
that honest enough?)
This means I own, and have owned, MANY guns that are not pristine,
even some real doggies. If a gun's appearance bugs me too much, I
sell it, and hunt a better one.
I have marvelled in recent years at the evolution of collector's
standards. 30 years ago, a refinish was the "kiss of death" for a
gun. Now, here we are discussing it, and many are recommending it, at
the highest level of S&W collecting.
As I said, it is subjective. Each gun stands alone, and "It IS what
it IS". I look at a Hand Ejector, and determine if I can stand the
appearance. If it is a variation I desire to own, it is "keepable".
If it is too ugly for me, I move it along.
A few years back, I stumbled across Ed McGivern's Reg Mag. The gun
shipped to Ed as a 5", and Ed(we think) had cut it to 3.5". I could
live with that- he did it in the course of making it as he wanted it.
It wore most of the original finish. Unfortunately, I could not
AFFORD to keep it, and had to move it along. I had the pleasure of
owning it for a while, handling it, photographing myself with it, and
SHOOTING it. If I could have afforded to do so, I would still own it.
If it had been refinished, I would not have considered keeping it.

Restoration of art was mentioned in this discussion. That is not
exactly the same thing, to me. Were 5200 Mona Lisa's painted?
Using art as an analogy, here is a hypothetical situation:
Let's say a Rembrandt looted from a Dutch home in WW II had been
found. Trouble is, a soldier had cut the canvas from the frame,
rolled it, and stored it in a collasped building that was never
rebuilt or demolished till recently, when the painting was
discovered. A small portion, say 15%, of the paint remained so the
painting could be identified. Since photos exist, it could
be "restored". If I bought it, would I have a Rembrandt? No, I don't
think so. I would have a copy, done on the original canvas. A full-
sized photo would be closer to the Rembrandt to me.

Getting back to S&W's, my vote is leave that Reg Mag alone. It cannot
be put back to what it once was. I would decide to live with it As
Is, or move it along and get a better one. The pic makes me wonder if
it is a suicide gun. I have seen a few, and they are sometimes
spattered with blood in a similar pattern. If YOU prefer, Terry, have
it refinished.
If anyone is thoroughly incensed by now, start again at the beginning
of this treatise with the disclaimer. (;>)"

Currently-
Actually, when I look at the pic again, I came to wonder even more about that strange pattern of rust. A suicide gun is usually not spattered so far back. If it was one, I think blood may have been smeared by subsequent handling. What is the other side like. Can we get more pics?
 
WoW,

I personally would have it refinished. but that is due to my like of nice looking guns. I have a gun that I am faced with the same options. although it is a Ruger and doesnt compare in History with this RM, it is still a very early 357 Flattop serial #144.

I have made the decision to have the gun Engraved to help hide its detractions(pitting). It will never be valued the same as a Pristine LNIB gun but I will enjoy it in my safe much more than if it stayed in its present Condition.

I guess it boils down to your freinds wants, It will never acheive a value of a mint gun but it cant hurt its Value to get a facelift either.

Here are some pictures of my Ruger

Dan

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That's a sad Ruger. Too bad.

I spoke with an engraver about working a pitted gun and he said no can do.
 
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