CAJUNLAWYER
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http://news.aol.com/article/cop-acc...op-accused-of-pulling-gun-at-mcdonalds/534451
Never a good idea-bad for community relations.
Never a good idea-bad for community relations.
To the LEO's-Don't do this
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rburg
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Of course no one condones pulling a gun over poor service. We can make the comparison that had the person receiving the bad service been any one else, he'd have been jailed for the conduct. Suspending him isn't a higher standard.
But there seems to be a rash of this stuff. And while the conduct is awful, so is the service lapse that triggers it. And it seems to pervade the fast food industry. Sure the wages are low. But that really isn't an excuse. We complain about the GM problem being partly upper management. So too is the fast food mess. The fact that its accepted shows there are a lot of employees who should be with the unemployed.
But there seems to be a rash of this stuff. And while the conduct is awful, so is the service lapse that triggers it. And it seems to pervade the fast food industry. Sure the wages are low. But that really isn't an excuse. We complain about the GM problem being partly upper management. So too is the fast food mess. The fact that its accepted shows there are a lot of employees who should be with the unemployed.
In my 30+ years I have seen some idiotic stunts like this perpetrated by people who should have known better. I would not be surprised to learn this officer was also impaired at the time. It gives the whole profession a bad name and when something like this happens to your department locally the stain takes a while to fade. If this happened in my area the case would be going to the Grand Jury. It sucks for the department, the community and the kid at McDonalds. The only ones to profit are the attorneys who will be able to make their next yacht payment. (unless they paid cash for it)
I for one hold no other police officers to account for this wack job's actions. I would hope that the reputation of the law enforcement community can easily weather these types of incidents.
It seems strange to me that people would form or change an opinion of a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. Especially when there are so many examples of good officers that we experience much more often than these types of incidents.
Same with the military, firefighters, doctors, or any other profession for that matter.
Sometimes I think the members of the profession are much harder on themselves than the general public.
It seems strange to me that people would form or change an opinion of a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. Especially when there are so many examples of good officers that we experience much more often than these types of incidents.
Same with the military, firefighters, doctors, or any other profession for that matter.
Sometimes I think the members of the profession are much harder on themselves than the general public.
m1gunner
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I'll see your brandish, and raise you a taser attack with 3 LEOs present.
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If I did that at a local McDonalds, I'd be in jail right now eating
a bug burger..
If I pointed a pistol at a local cop, I'd be dead right now.
With my temper, if I had been working there, I'd probably
have ended up in jail anyway..
As I would have asked the officer how he would like a pistol
stuck up his differential for dinner.
I would not put up with that mess. Don't care who it is.
You don't point a pistol at a person unless you are ready to
use it.
There is no excuse for this behavior if the story is indeed
true. And yes, if I had my way, he would end up sorry he
ever met me at the window if it was me working there.
I have nothing against most all police, but I would not
tolorate something like that. I'd raise a stink, and maybe
even cause him to lose his job before it was over with.
I can be a royal pain if I want to be.
a bug burger..
If I pointed a pistol at a local cop, I'd be dead right now.
With my temper, if I had been working there, I'd probably
have ended up in jail anyway..
As I would have asked the officer how he would like a pistol
stuck up his differential for dinner.
I would not put up with that mess. Don't care who it is.
You don't point a pistol at a person unless you are ready to
use it.
There is no excuse for this behavior if the story is indeed
true. And yes, if I had my way, he would end up sorry he
ever met me at the window if it was me working there.
I have nothing against most all police, but I would not
tolorate something like that. I'd raise a stink, and maybe
even cause him to lose his job before it was over with.
I can be a royal pain if I want to be.
Interesting position you are taking with your second paragraph. But your first paragraph says a lot. There are two laws. Those for the police, and it extends to the politicians, and one for 'normal' citizens. And the police wonder why the average American generally doesn't like them. Thin corrupt line? Perhaps...policing is a mind-numbing crap job, and it attracts certain people for a reason...the perks.
First post! Let's see if I can get me banned right off the bat.
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If it really happened it should be easy to investigate. You have about 4 or 5 people to interview and check the video, if there is any. If it truly happened as reported, and there is always two sides to every story, officer should be fired! There should be NO room in law enforcement for such behavior.
smith revolver cop
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I've been a cooper for 28 years, 10 as a first-line supervisor, and also a criminal justice instructor... I'd like to say I'm horribly shocked and surprised, but I've seen far too many cops flush away their careers over the absolutely stupidest stunts... if all of the honest cops really want to make this a 'profession,' I think maybe we need to tighten up on some of our screening processes. I'm encouraged that the department is taking it seriously, and has even presented it to the prosecutor's office- there's simply no other way to go with something like this. One still has to wonder, though, how a guy like this got a badge and a gun to begin with.
USAF385
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Yeah.... those guys at the donut shop know better.
They get the orders ready FAST!
Just kidding LEOs!
They get the orders ready FAST!
Just kidding LEOs!
bobcat
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I actually worked with a guy who pulled his weapon in MickyD's off duty while under the influence of spirits, he caught endless amounts of crap over it, and how he kept his job, I never knew. This was many years ago, in today's agency, he'd be GONE!
You ought to be banned for such moronic statements...and for having such a positive outlook. Hope your wish comes true.
Can't wait to see what other pearls of wisdom you contribute.
BarbC
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I'm content with calling the manager over to heap scorn on the offender, followed by a complaint to the franchise owner. Just ask the Bushkill, PA McDonald's employee who stole my $20 bill by telling me it was a $5.
snowman.45
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I don't know where you live or what frame of reference you have, but I can tell you that the "there are two laws" statement is a bunch of crap. I've been in the business for 32 years, and I've seen a few things like this happen. Law Enforcement, like every other profession, will get an idiot who slips through the process from time to time. If you get a DUI, you'll probably end up with the standard sentence, fines, etc. If an LEO gets one, he/she may lose their job, will certainly get more fines, and likely get more jail time based on the unwillingness of the DA or the court system to be seen as bias towards the officer. As for the type of person that the job attracts, I don't think you have any concept of what it takes to be an LEO. Therefore, you need to leave your ignorant responses at the door.
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CAJUNLAWYER
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Let me be clear guys. I didn't start this to bash LEO's-I did it to bash Dumb sh!ts-of which there are ample supplies in ALL professions.......Even Lawyers 
And MY yacht is paid for
And MY yacht is paid for
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magnum12pm
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I have a question for the LEOs? When you see some of these videos of out of control officers doing some of the most foolish things while wearing a badge. Why do their co-workers just stand and watch. You would think the rest of his buddies would say "Hey man thats enough". It just makes everyone look bad, unfairly! I have never been able to figure out why cooler heads don't try to prevail in these matters.
USAF385
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Barb,
That happened to my brother once. The cashier at Circuit City tried to short change him. My brother paid with a larger bill and the cashier gave him back his change in a wad instead of counting it out for him. My brother counted it and it was $20 short. He told the employee who insisted my brother was wrong. Well it didn't take long for my brother to get the manager over.... who sided with the employee! The manager was saying my brother was either mistaken about how much money he gave him, or was trying to rip of Circuit City! (The manager didn't outright say the second one, but he implied it greatly)
Obviously this annoyed my brother, so he insisted they count the register right then and there. After a minute or so of the manager trying to dismiss us, he finally agreed to count the register.... Guess what? The register was $20 over. He got a LOT of apologies and a $20 gift card... but they still got a complaint sent to the district manager.
snowman.45
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Let me be clear guys. I didn't start this to bash LEO's-I did it to bash Dumb sh!ts-of which there are ample supplies in ALL professions.......Even Lawyers
And MY yacht is paid for
Cajun:
I don't think anyone took your post as an LEO bashing. These kinds of things happen, as you pointed out, in all professions. I simply take exception to someone who admits its his first post and believes there is a possibility he could be kicked because of its content. Sounds like someone looking for a fight to me. Its something I just don't tolerate. Always easy to talk trash when you know there is no chance of having to deal with real-life repercussions. Tends to say alot about a person's character, or lack thereof.
As for the question from magnum; I don't think any of us can answer that. I've had two occasions in my career to put a halt to B/S actions on the part of another LEO. As for other situations, I can't speak to them. There are a number of possible reasons; not knowing the full circumstances of the incident, being a junior officer with less experience, and I'm sure there are many others. These are not necessarilly excuses, just reasons. That doesn't make them right.
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gregintenn
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I don't aim this comment to the entire law enforcement profession; just the guilty officer: If that McDonalds employee were my wife or child, that officer would currently have his service pistol crammed deeply in his rear orifice. I don't care how big and tough he is. There's no excuse for such behavior.
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