Today I found the ultimate Glock for people who dislike Polymer guns...

[mainegrw]

It was a chance find, and an intriguing one at that. On a typical trip hobnobing at the local gun shops I found it: an Alpha Foxtrot AF-C alloy Glock 19 frame completely built out into a finished gun.

I've never actually seen one of these before, but the price for $549 was too tempting to pass up. For the money this is what I know I got, some of the other parts I'm still identifying:

- Alpha Foxtrot AF-C 7075 Aluminum frame, regular price $305 for frame and steel rail inserts only

- Brownells brand Glock 19LS (long slide) Windowed RMR slide and barrel combo, retail price $449.99

- XS Sight Systems - DX Big Dot Sights, retail $64

- (x1) Pmag 10 round magazine, we tried a standard Glock 19 mag at the shop but it didnt lock in, Glock 17 mags did however work. Will be looking at that issue further tomorrow, as I understand they should fit and function properly. Price: $12

The trigger and remaining guts I believe are genuine gen 3 Glock parts, but not sure. The trigger does feel very nice though, are least as good as a factory assembled Glock handgun, maybe better. I figure the rest of the internal parts must have cost another $100 to $200, so all told someone spent between $800 and $900 to put this thing together, and it's glorious! Range report to follow tomorrow.

Anybody see or build one of these pistols yet? Curious what you all think, I like odd guns and never hesitate to add about to my collection, good or not. Heck, many here and elsewhere said a lot of unkind things about the FMK 9C1G2 (Glock 19 clone), but the one I had actually was a pretty spectacular little shooter, I'm really hoping it's the same for this one too.

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[LVSteve]

Looking forward to the range report.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

The only Glock in the house is my wife's. I bought it for her used with the AO Big Dot Sights, which she does not like! She wants those sights to be target sights, and they will never be! Those sights are point and click sights, not for precise aiming. I may have to let her have my M&P 9c.

I pick the gun up point and shoot and return to rest in about 1.5 to 1.75 seconds and bullseye every time!

Ivan

 

[Valmet]

That is interesting looking for sure.

 

[Echo40]

Somehow I doubt that anyone snobbish enough to completely turn their noses up at any/all polymer framed firearms after all these years will be swayed just because there are aftermarket aluminum frames for Glocks.

Heck, the Walther Q5SF or the new Q4SF would surely have swayed them by now of all it took to sell them a polymer frame pistol was to replace it with metal.

 

[mainegrw]

Somehow I doubt that anyone snobbish enough to completely turn their noses up at any/all polymer framed firearms after all these years will be swayed just because there are aftermarket aluminum frames for Glocks.



Heck, the Walther Q5SF or the new Q4SF would surely have swayed them by now of all it took to sell them a polymer frame pistol was to replace it with metal.

No doubt... However, I will count myself among the crowd that doesn't thoroughly enjoy polymer guns, which is why the AF-C excites me a little bit. I dont know why I feel the way I do, as I've had many polymer guns that I've shot very well, i.e. in no particular order, the aforementioned FMK 9C1G2, Glock 17 and 19, Springfield XD9, Walther PPQ M2, M&P 9 Pro, etc. But at the end of the day there's just something that doesn't feel satisfying about them, and I find myself lusting after classic Sigs, CZ 75s, Beretta 92s, and S&W first, second and third gen pistols, also big, heavy revolvers. It had nothing to do with build quality or durability, I'm just not sure what the lack of appeal is to me.



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[Echo40]

I used to dislike polymer framed pistols, but they have since grown on me simply due to their utility.

Sure, I doubt that I'll ever love any polymer framed pistol as much as I love the Walther PPK/S in terms of aesthetic appeal, but as firearms, as tools for self-defense, I've grown to love them for that.

 

[colt_saa]

I am glad that you like what you found and I am in no way trying to put a dampener on your thread.

However I think that you may be stereotyping all the folks that do not buy Glocks into one category

Today I found the ultimate Glock for people who dislike Polymer guns...

My lack of enamerment with the Glock is not because of it's polymer frame . . . while I do prefer metal, I own several polymer framed auto loaders

My lack of enamerment with the Glock is not because it is a striker fired pistol . . . while I do prefer a hammer, I own several striker fired pistols

My lack of enamerment with the Glock is the way it feels in my hand due to the grip angle

Glocks are durable enough, reliable enough and accurate enough for a combat firearm and I have carried, qualified and shot them when they were issued to me

I just have no intention of ever owning one. I returned the Free G17 that Glock gave to me and many other instructors back in the day

So a metal frame for a Glock does not do it for me

BTW, I do not HATE Glocks . . . I just do not LIKE Glocks

 

[CH4]

Not a Glock fanboy, but it’s the only polymer frame gun I’ll ever own. If it wasn’t for the blue label program, it’s doubtful I’d one. That said I currently have two.

Gen 5 26
Gen 4 29

I like the versatility of mags - I can use mags with capacities from 10-33 in my G26 and 9mm AR.

 

[tlawler]

You can’t fix ugly!

 

[ladder13]

At work we have carried DA/SA Sigs since the transition in the 90's to the semi. Never owned a Glock.

Picked up a 19x late last year. Fantastic firearm. Liked it so much I went out and bought a G21 and 30s.

I read numerous complaints about the Glock grip angle. I've done some extensive testing (unloaded of course) with my Glocks. Close my eyes and draw from a holster. Arms fully extended in an isosceles hold combat stance. Open eyes and the Glock night sights are perfectly aligned on the target. All three pistols....time after time.

Grip angle works for me. Best pointing pistols I own.
Klyde

A post with substance.

 

[SPEEDGUNNER]

I like the look of that pistol. Let's hope it shoots as good as it looks. Let us know.

 

[Gene L]

I happen to like polymer pistols. They're paradigm shifters and the material of the future. I own more steel-framed autos than poly, but that's because I like older autos. A Glock isn't a pretty gun and you can't make it pretty, but it works every time, something I can't universally say about all my steelies.

 

[mikerjf]

Hmmm..... so, yer sayin a fella could mirror-polish this..?

 

[Mainsail]

The only reason I only own one Glock, a G20SF, is because I dislike their grip angle.

I wonder if the aftermarket frame on your corrected the angle to a more traditional one.

Let us know how it shoots!

 

[Rule3]

I am glad that you like what you found and I am in no way trying to put a dampener on your thread.

However I think that you may be stereotyping all the folks that do not buy Glocks into one category



My lack of enamerment with the Glock is not because of it's polymer frame . . . while I do prefer metal, I own several polymer framed auto loaders

My lack of enamerment with the Glock is not because it is a striker fired pistol . . . while I do prefer a hammer, I own several striker fired pistols

My lack of enamerment with the Glock is the way it feels in my hand due to the grip angle

Glocks are durable enough, reliable enough and accurate enough for a combat firearm and I have carried, qualified and shot them when they were issued to me

I just have no intention of ever owning one. I returned the Free G17 that Glock gave to me and many other instructors back in the day

So a metal frame for a Glock does not do it for me

BTW, I do not HATE Glocks . . . I just do not LIKE Glocks

Agreed. I have several just because.


What I dislike about them is the factory trigger. Replace that and they are OK. Still like metal guns with SA/DA decocker like Sigs.I'll take a SA XD over a Glock anyday.

 

[Echo40]

I think I found the ultimate Glock for people who dislike the grip angle...

It's called the Smith & Wesson SIGMA. It's literally just a Glock with a modified grip angle based on that of the 1911 and a significantly lower price tag. The early ones had issues, but as of the Gen 3 (SW#VE) series they've all been fixed, and the latest Gen 4 models (SD#VE) have much better triggers as well as a standard accessory rail. So if you like Glocks but dislike their grip angle, give the S&W SIGMA Series a look.

 

[AUG]

At work we have carried DA/SA Sigs since the transition in the 90's to the semi. Never owned a Glock.

Picked up a 19x late last year. Fantastic firearm. Liked it so much I went out and bought a G21 and 30s.

I read numerous complaints about the Glock grip angle. I've done some extensive testing (unloaded of course) with my Glocks. Close my eyes and draw from a holster. Arms fully extended in an isosceles hold combat stance. Open eyes and the Glock night sights are perfectly aligned on the target. All three pistols....time after time.

Grip angle works for me. Best pointing pistols I own.
Klyde

This may be the first time I have ever heard anyone, ANYONE, say this.

 

[AUG]

It is not the polymer that turns me off with Glock. It is the grip angle and the erratic ejection of the 9mm guns made since the early 2000's.

I have probably fired 100k rounds through glock pistols since 1996. After all those reps the gun still does not point natural. The gen5 "feels" the best to me. Maybe by gen7 or 8 glock will finally realize the grip angle is wrong.

 

[bmcgilvray]

This won't cause me to embrace Glock. I don't care a hoot about the Glock grip angle. I dislike the Glock, both for its plastic and for its trigger design. I have a Generation 2 Glock 17 and keep it here as a specimen. I don't like it.

Mere metal doesn't do it for me, but forged steel and only forged steel. No plastics even if they're termed polymer, or aluminum, titanium, or scandium alloys, MIM or cast steels, investment or otherwise, need apply.

In these times I'm not "allowed" to reject contrived diversity in society, but by crackey I will revel in being just as prejudiced as I like about the firearms I'm willing to own and use and will indulge myself to my heart's content.

Can you say Luddite, geezer, fogy? That's ok. It's a bad job, but someone has to do it.