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I got interested in watching the bicycling over the past several days. I know nothing about bicycle racing, well except that it is physical! I prefer watching the scenery from horseback.

Evidently there is some controversy over the Garmin team and the way they rode Stage 14, especially at the end?
Can somebody explain to me what the controversy is?
Once explained maybe I can understand why the announcers say that at some point in the future the Garmin team will need an alliance with another team, and it will not be forthcoming?
 
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Personnaly I do not know the answer to your question, but all I can say is that they are physically fit, but who really cares how far you can ride a bike,,,mountain biking is a lot more tallened than riding on a road,trail riding takes a lot more talent than road riding, I have a son that had numerous broken bone rehabs to attest to it. I am not trying to be down on road riders but they are not real bikers, besides get off the damn stree.
 
Certainly not an expert here, but my take is Hincapie was off the front and along came Garmin and Astana and closed the gap enough that he could not get the leader's jersey, for no good reason because he will not be a threat in the mountain stages that are yet to come, thus not a threat overall.

Riding in a group is a funny thing, if you have never done it. At the high speeds these guys ride, one guy can't do all the work, so they have to work together, and the teams will do that at times, and then the next thing you know, they will stop that and fight. The directors call the ball on that, consulting with their riders by radio and relaying info they see about riders on other teams, the breaks, and chases, that the riders in the peleton may not be able to see or get from the boards carried by riders on the motorcycles.

Of the 170-180 guys starting that race, only a handful are true contenders, the rest being specialists rounding out the show, or just workers supporting the overall contenders and specialists. The more you watch, the more you learn. In my view, it is about the last sort of real racing that exists, motorsports having degenerated into a farce some time ago, thanks to pit stops, yellow flags, and "safety" cars. (JMHO on that.)
 
The Tour de France used to be for sports cars, and Ferrari won it many times. Just when and how did it change from sports cars to bicycles?
 
"The Tour" has never been for sports cars. There were several national road rallies in Europe for sports car, but I think most are gone.
 
The controversy came about due to team rivalries and how they conflicted with the issues of "etiquette" and "respect" of bike racing.
I've known George Hincapie since he was 10 years old and a teammate of my son's. Now, as veteran competitor in the pro ranks, he is universally liked and respected by the entire peloton. He has won a Tour stage and even wore the Yellow Jersey as race leader a number of years ago. If he rides two more Tours he will hold the record for the most Tours ever ridden by a professional. He is a tremendously talented "all-arounder" meaning he can sprint well, time trial well, and climb acceptably. At 6'4" and 180 pounds, though, he is not a top Tour contender, especially at this stage of his career.
George had served as Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant for all of his seven wins in the Tour and there is a strong friendship there as well, even though they no longer are on the same team. George is also now on the Columbia-High Road team, a rival of both Astana (Lance's team) and Garmin-Slipstream (another American team who is fighting for recognition in the Tour). Columbia, whose Tour goal is winning stages has had a great year and a great tour, winning four stages and holding the sprinter's and best young rider's jerseys.
So......with that background here we go. George goes with an early breakaway with a group of riders who are not contenders. The break gains some six minutes on the leaders. Astana gets to the front and rides a "false tempo" to keep the break time in control but let George gain time and move into the Yellow Jersey for a day. The gap goes up to nearly nine minutes. Good, but any chase is the responsibility of the team of the Yellow Jersey, AG2R, not Astana. This AG2R does, but runs out of gas at about a five minute gap. Astana was a bit too concerned with controlling the time gap and should have forced AG2R to chase earlier instead of letting them rest for that first part of the stage. I think that they definitely wanted George in the jersey but were too concerned with keeping the time gap "manageable" (a few years ago a break gained 30 minutes on the leaders and it took Armstrong ten stages to regain the Yellow Jersey from a young French rider who would have never been in contention otherwise).
Now, part two of the drama. Garmin-Slipstream, presumably on the orders of their team manager, goes to the front with ten kilometers to go and pulls the field back into a time where they are only 4:20 behind George's break at the finish. George needed a 4:25 gap to take the jersey. Garmin had no reason to chase as they did other than to spoil the day for George. Their long chase even ruined the chance for their designated sprinter, who was in contention for the Sprinter's Green Jersey to score any points. It was pure revenge on their part to spoil George's and Columbia's day. They gained nothing out of it.
As a final aside to this, Columbia's sprinter, Mark Cavendish, wins the field sprint anyway, despite not getting a normal leadout by his team, who were keeping the pace as controlled as possible in the last two kilometers to give George all the time possible. He then gets relegated to last in the group for "not holding a straight line" at the finish, which turned to the right in the last 50 meters. As a licensed official for over a decade, it was a poor call, IMHO. The relegation eliminated Cavendish from any chance to win the Green Jersey.
It was both a tactical blunder on Astana's part and poor sportsmanship on Garmin's part that cost George the Jersey for the one day before the Alps.
I know that this seems confusing to many traditional sports fans, but the whole drug thing aside in cycling (common in ALL sports, just better policed and penalized in cycling, so we hear more about it) there is an unwritten code of conduct and ethics in cycling that Garmin violated.
 
Walking Horse,
In answer to part two of your question, actions have consequences. Don't expect a Columbia rider to work with a Garmin rider in any of the next stages.
 
Contrary to current opinion, there was a series called the Tour de France that involved sports cars. Ferrari won it many times. Below is a Ferrari 250GT Tour de France that competed in the Tour de France in 1959. Ferrari named their car after the sports car race not the bicycle race. For those who are interested, this picture was taken at Laguna Seca at the second Historics in 1975. The car was owned and driven by my friend Glen Snider. Glen won his race against Bill Rudd in a 1961 Ferrari 250GT Short Wheelbase Berlinetta. Glen was killed a month later at the Virginia City Hill Climb. Speaking solely for myself, I would rather watch fast sports cars race around the public roads of France than watch a bunch of guys in spandex shorts pedal their bicycles. But that is just me. I like guns, fast cars, and pretty girls, but not necessarily in that order.

Excuse the quality of the picture. I had two cameras with me; a 35mm and a Kodak Instamatic. This picture was taken with the Instamatic. If anyone here is planning to be at either the Monterey Historics or pre-Historics in August, let me know and we'll meet there.


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ncy54 Thanks

ncy 54,thanks for the reply, I think I understand?, but this being the first year I have watched the race, other than reading the Lance Armstrong won when he did, I was confused by the terminology and how the riders and teams work in a race.

Complicated event that is for sure, but the bike racers sure have tremendous strength , endurance, and now I seem to understand there is a lot of strategy that goes on, rather than just riding fast! Also now understand better about the green jersey as well as the obvious yellow.
 
It is pretty involved, and I'm sure I only grasp a fraction of what is going on, but the TDF is a hell of a lot more interesting and entertaining than Nascar. Some of the best TV footage I have seen was last week's coverage of the team time trial.
 
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ncy54, thanks for a well crafted and thoughtful explanation for those that are interested in expanding their knowledge.
I have followed the Tour for several years and to greenhorns it can be quite confusing. The thing to remember is that no one can win this alone. A contender, even as great as Armstrong needs a team to support him. If you can take the time Google or Bing "Tour de France", there are lots of informative sites.

For those of you who think that off road racing is so tough, try road racing for three straight weeks with one day off per week.
 
Found on another site. 1940 Tour de France photo...
 

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