Well , some folks felt the need to get all haughty about it .
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Roger that!! I call those lint collectors. Do enough "immediate action" drills with one of those and you will end up needing a bandaid---- and I hate spiral fluted barrels.
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Everything is a "BAD BOY". How much is that bad boy, let's put that bad boy on the grill, fire up that bad boy, on and on.
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One could use as a parallel the .222 Rem. Mag, a vastly superior cartridge to the .223 Rem but with cheap ammo and once fired brass free just for picking them off the ground the .222 Mag was doomed.
With the cheap ammo and tons of once fired brass the 9mm is not going to get any less popular very soon and I saw it go from just an oddball military surplus cartridge that was used with corrosive surplus ammo in the 50's to the superstar it is today, especially after Law Enforcement went over to the high cap 9mm craze that made the .38 special look like an extinct dinosaur even though the .38 special is actually the more powerful cartridge.
So it begs the question how was the .38 Colt (Father of the 38 Special) such a dismal failure during the Philippine fight for independence from the U.S. in 1899? In fact it was not any more a failure in the field than the .45 Long Colt or .45 acp was because the Troops complained about all 3 calibers. The .38 Colt failed only in the propaganda of the bull crapping Gun Writers of the day and accepted as fact today and still repeated (just last month) by self-anointed gun writers.
Both Col Thompson tests (which he hid from the Ordnance Board and from Jan Libourel who researched "real" U.S. Army records proved that smaller cartridges like the 9x19, 38 Colt, and .30 Luger killed 1,200 Steers ever bit as well as the big bore revolver cartridges. When Co. Thompson did not prove his big bore theory he then in a blind panic cheated in the tests and ran out and bought expanding bullets for the big bore cartridges (which he said did expand) but again they still killed no better, a fact he hid from the Ordnance Board who never bothered to do their own testing.
Moral of the story, most gun writers are as reliable and knowledgeable and honest as most used car salesmen and we all know a used car salesman would never lie to you don't we!!!
As far as the 38 Sig, admittedly it is more powerful (but holds less rounds in the magazine and recoils more and has more muzzle blast) but brass and ammo are way more expensive and it has a very short neck making it a pain to handload for and even factory ammo does not grip the bullet as well as the 9mm does nor does the .38 Sig line up the bullet in the chamber as well as the 9mm either. Now admittedly most people are not skilled enough shooters nor are most combat handguns built with the accuracy of say a match grade 1911 so the difference in accuracy goes unnoticed by Jethro Bodine when he is blasting tin cans on the Lower Forty Acres while he is knee deep in brass and still shooting fast. Occasionally he even hits a tin can.
In conclusion there have been many ballistically superior cartridges that just never made it and for a variety of reasons and Jethro is none the wiser nor does he wish to be either. To Jethro if the Service uses it or Law Enforcement use the cartridge therefore it must be the best to use, it never occurs to Jethro to do any research or testing himself. If Jethro did, he would have found the .32 acp superior to the .380 and the 9x19 superior to the .45 acp, and the .38 special superior to the 9mm but those are more stories for another day and time and history has validated it all it's just that Jethro flunked ballistics and history classes.
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Mike LaNier
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My 'whine' today? Politicians! Primarily anti-firearms politicians who don't know diddly!
Here in the Soviet Socialist State of Oregon our politicians have worked overtime to destroy our 2nd Amendment rights, banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, banning ARs, demanding 'permits' just to go buy a gun, banning concealed carry, etc. All these anti-gun laws are not only ill-advised but in most cases, unenforceable. I remember visiting Massachusetts years ago; I stopped for gas, and the filling station employee had a pistol tucked into his belt. I commented on that, and he said, "Yeah, it's illegal. But everybody has one." I suspect we'll all be scofflaws after these despicable vermin ban all firearms for 'the greater good'.
Here in the Soviet Socialist State of Oregon our politicians have worked overtime to destroy our 2nd Amendment rights, banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, banning ARs, demanding 'permits' just to go buy a gun, banning concealed carry, etc. All these anti-gun laws are not only ill-advised but in most cases, unenforceable. I remember visiting Massachusetts years ago; I stopped for gas, and the filling station employee had a pistol tucked into his belt. I commented on that, and he said, "Yeah, it's illegal. But everybody has one." I suspect we'll all be scofflaws after these despicable vermin ban all firearms for 'the greater good'.
I wish shooting dogs with the .32 velo dog cartridge was still legal. If it was I could start riding my bike for exercise again.
You hit the nail on the head. I serious think most of these modern frankenmonster monstrosities never end up being carried rather they are "show off" guns at the range so you can tell people "Look at me I have got "the latest and greatest" even though none of it makes any sense.
Talking about smells. I was reminded of something from those halcyon days of the past when I was hunting pheasants and a fellow that was with me discussed the "aroma" of burnt gunpowder long ago compared to the newer made gunpowder that has lost that "sent". I had not thought about this in decades so I dug out some old 1950's paper shotshells and shot a few to see if it was just my imagination, it was not, they did have "that aroma" and it brought back memories of many friends that have "left the range or hunting fields forever".
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These arguments will never end.
Few realize that probably more bad guys (and some good ones, too) met their demise after being shot with the standard 158 grain round nose lead .38 Special factory load than all the alleged ballistically superior ammunition that has supplanted it in recent decades. The 158 RN was plentiful, cheap, and was one of the few .38 Special ammos available for many, many years. Practically all law enforcement agencies and many civilians used it long before anyone heard of +P and expensive pedigreed (commonly called "boutique") ammunition.
Ammo is no better than the shooter, but amateur gunfighting aspirants, especially the one's lacking shooting skills, would never believe such a sound premise.
Is that a fact?
Speaks volumes about you.
I saw a father and son shooting the boy's new .50 cal Desert Eagle one day . It was obvious that the thrill wore off rather quickly .
I have to admit that "spray and pray" grinds my gears a bit. Especially as those that use it think we have never heard it before.
Lots of big ego’s will do that.Well , some folks felt the need to get all haughty about it .
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Small cartridges effective? My late sister in law was an xray tech in SF and one day they brought in a guy who had been badly beaten about the head. She said that after the X rays, they discovered that the guy had been shot 5 times in the head with a .25 automatic. Not dead, they didn't even work on the guy that much. Apparently just left them in the guys head.
All the talk about effective stuff is pure conjecture. If you are shot and it hits a major blood vessel, you bleed out and die. Soldiers die from shock without major gunshot wounds. It is where you shoot someone that makes it effective or not. Col. Dave Hackworth had 8 purple hearts died of cancer.
All the talk about effective stuff is pure conjecture. If you are shot and it hits a major blood vessel, you bleed out and die. Soldiers die from shock without major gunshot wounds. It is where you shoot someone that makes it effective or not. Col. Dave Hackworth had 8 purple hearts died of cancer.
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So true. Show me a hunter who didn't pick up that empty paper hull in the field and give it a good whiff before depositing it in his pocket, and I'll show you someone without a soul...
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Wasn't gunpowder in the early years made using repurposed artillery and surplus powder from the great war?
All my firearms are toys and I love to play with them.
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Kydex holsters.
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