Triplelock!!!

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Found one in a local pawn shop today. Didn't know what it was since I had never see one before. I looked it up after I got home and was shocked. Serial number is 91xx which should be 1912. It's marked $950. Something about the finish just didn't look right but I couldn't see any obvious signs of being refinished. I did notice a star stamped by the serial number on the bottom of the grip. From what I've read that is the S&W rework mark. Finish is 95%+.
It also has a 4" barrel. It's got a set of ugly stag grips on it. I'm going to go back and see if it has a refinish date under the grip. With it being factory refinished is this a decent price?
 
If an original 4” then I’d say so. A cut down badly re-nickeled TL went for $930 plus shipping and transfer recently and I remember a 4” TL with rough nickel went for a grand or so on GB a while ago.
 
I think it's an original 4". The markings on both sides are centered on the barrel.
 
Is it nickel or blue? If the * is a factory refinish then it is a no-brainer, assuming decent function. The 4" should be a slight premium. The stated price is very low for any triple lock unless it is horrendous for what could be any number of reasons. Or, just give me the address and I will go check it out for you ...;)

ETA: Assuming the more common nickel, check if the hammer and trigger are case hardened (original) or blue/nickel (indicating a non-factory refinish). The centered barrel markings bode well for original barrel length.

We'll need pics
 
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Is it nickel or blue? If the * is a factory refinish then it is a no-brainer, assuming decent function. The 4" should be a slight premium. The stated price is very low for any triple lock unless it is horrendous for what could be any number of reasons. Or, just give me the address and I will go check it out for you ...;)
It's blued.
The pawn shop has no idea what it is other than it's old.
 
Ok, then if it is original 4"barrel, either original blue or factory refinish, and the hammer drops in single and double action, I'm a buyer. And I don't buy guns any more on SS. What was the dealer's name again? Just for fun, offer 8 benjamins and see what happens.
 
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WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE??!!!

Found one in a local pawn shop today. Didn't know what it was since I had never see one before. I looked it up after I got home and was shocked. Serial number is 91xx which should be 1912. It's marked $950. Something about the finish just didn't look right but I couldn't see any obvious signs of being refinished. I did notice a star stamped by the serial number on the bottom of the grip. From what I've read that is the S&W rework mark. Finish is 95%+.
It also has a 4" barrel. It's got a set of ugly stag grips on it. I'm going to go back and see if it has a refinish date under the grip. With it being factory refinished is this a decent price?

So as to prevent perpetuation of myths-------------------------

It would be unusual to see obvious signs of being refinished (on a factory refinish) because the preparation and finishing process on a refinish is the same as for an original finish.

The star means the item has been returned for service------which may or may not include refinishing.

The date code tells us when the item was returned for service-----which may or may not include refinishing.

Another popular myth is anything returned for any sort of service was automatically refinished. The fact of the matter is anything returned for any sort of service was serviced in accord with the customer's instructions.

Okay----value: One note of possible interest is "Barrel lengths other than 6 1/2" will bring a premium; often 50% or more."---so sayeth the book----which reports the consensus of the "midnight pricing panel"---as of what---three years ago?!! Another note of possible interest is that "or more" tag line would very likely be applicable to higher condition guns---such as "95%+". And speaking of what the book sayeth, another is $950 is for the lowest condition grade treated----which is before any doubling for barrel lengths of other than 6 1/2".

And speaking for myself, they ain't making any more of these things----and they didn't make that many to begin with.

Ralph Tremaine
 
DON'T BUY IT! Just tell me where it is, I'll take care of it for you!!!
 
Got my computer back up and I'm going to try to post some photos. There are not any decent stores in my area that carry used guns so I buy the majority of them from pawn shops. I see lots of refinished ones. Most are over buffed. Lettering is shallow, screw holes wallowed out and edges rounded. I don't see any of that on this one but the sheen of the surface just doesn't seem the same as any of my other old Smiths. That's why I was thinking it has been refinished. There are a couple of rust spots around 1/8" dia but other than that it looked good.
 

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It may be camera angle, lighting, cleanliness, etc., but the impression from the photos is that of a refinish. The barrel seems more polished than the rest of the gun, the right side rollmark (proper for a 4" barrel) seems a little weak and the frame edges seem less sharp than original. Pluses - sideplate seam is thin, the hammer and trigger are still case-colored and the yoke locking point is still in the white.

That said, if you see a rework date it probably means a factory refinish and I think $950 is a good price.
 
A triplelock! .44 SPL, 4 inch barrel and as in your pictures. I would buy it first and ask the questions later.:rolleyes:
 
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I don't see any of that on this one but the sheen of the surface just doesn't seem the same as any of my other old Smiths. That's why I was thinking it has been refinished. There are a couple of rust spots around 1/8" dia but other than that it looked good.

The date will confirm factory work of some kind as well as the star. But refinish codes will confirm a re-finish at the time it went back. I also think it's been refinished by the factory. The satin finish instead of the usual TL bright blue is a factor of the period it went back to the factory.

I suspect it went back in the 1st 10 years after WWI or WWII. That's when re-finishes were returned with the satin blue. Unless bright blue was specifically special ordered, the re-finish will be whatever was the standard finish when it went back.


REFINISH/REWORK DATES AND STAMPINGS:
after 1910 for a return to the factory are 3 or 4 digits depending on the actual date (sometimes 5 or 6) placed on left side of grip frame on the 'toe' stamped vertically or horizontally, and will not match any other stamped #s on the gun. Ex: 3.48 for March 1948, 10.2.57 for Oct 2, 1957, etc.
Sometimes letters in a rectangle or diamond, B (blue), N (nickel), or S (standard/blue) with an R (for refinish), on 'heel' of left side of grip frame. There might also be marks in diamonds like <S> (silver), <G> (gold), or a P (plated) with a circle. In the 1960s period, an S<> on grip frame and under barrel with a rework date meant refinish, standard (blue). Which stamping was used depended on the time frame and service technician working on the gun.
Refinish and date stamp usage is generally accepted to have declined in the early 1960s when most 5 or 6 digit dates have been observed, sporadic use after that, and was eventually eliminated altogether not too long after. Reportedly no date stamps have been observed since 1983. An RE (refinish) in a circle has also been observed as one of the last stampings used.

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TO ASCERTAIN THE ORIGINAL FINISH:

B or 'N' stamped or not stamped (only on commercial guns):
ahead of pre war serial #s on the barrel flat (or in shroud),
rear face of yoke,
on rear face of cyl separated from serial #,
behind the extractor star,
and by itself on right side grip frame (only on left side grip frame on post WWII models*), indicates an original Blue finish or an original Nickel finish based upon the corresponding letter.
The absence (more prevalent after 1930) of either the 'B' or 'N' can also indicate that it left the factory nickeled.

*The post war and the 1950s period, was one of much evolution. There was the usual transition when finish code letter stamps waned and frame letter s/n prefixes began.
 
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Possible re-finish...........offer $700.00 and go from there! I'd be all over it!
 
Triplelock

Buy it or tell me where it is, I'm close to Mississippi. It would be a great present to myself for Christmas.!!! GO FOR IT and Merry Christmas.
 
I do not understand why so many posts questioning a refinish?? The star by the serial denotes the fact it went back, so of course it was refinished at that time. The OP has an opportunity to get a gun that is worth multiples of what asking price is. I have seen rusty, poorly finish triple locks sell for nearly $1000 recently. Only 15375 were made and this one with a 4 inch barrel even if installed at the rework visit makes it a scarce model and if done at factory is right as rain! Shorter barrel lengths being the desirable attribute these days makes this gun very valuable! Buy it then figure out the story after gun is secured is my advice. Good luck
 
I recall a similar question ("should I buy this TL?) came up on this very Forum five or so years ago. It had obviously been refinished in nickel, and not any to well IIRC. Price was $500.

Most of the experts were rather dismissive of it. "Save your money" / "Look for a better one" and the like was their sage advice.

I, non-expert that I am, took a different tack. I told the guy to go ahead and buy it because even then $500 was low for a TL. Yes, it was far from pristine, but where else would you see one for that price, and how long would you have to look?

I don't know if the guy ever bought it or not, but my guess is that today he could sell it for twice what he paid.
 
Hondo44 nailed it. I got my grubby little hands on it and it's laying on my cleaning bench with some oil soaking on the frour small spots of rust. Under the grip there is a square with no marking in it and it's also stamped 3.47 or 5.47. I also found the serial number stamped on the barrel inside the ejector housing.
 
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