"TSA" locks?

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What makes a lock "TSA approved"? I've read the regs. that say thats what you must have on a hard gun case in your checked bag to fly. But just what is one? And where can you get it? Gun shop? I've never seen a padlock so marked.

Dumb question? Don't care.
 
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You can find them all kinds of places. Cabelas and Midway both sell them. You can usually find them in a sporting goods store, AAA, Ace Hardware and probably a bunch of other nearby stores.
Do a search at Cabelas or Midway and you'll see what they look like.
 
Actually, the locks on a gun case should NOT be TSA approved. Just locks on the outside suitcase; you retain the only key(s) for the gun case.
 
When I transported a handgun, it was the cheapest little key lock I could find.

I think it is as zercool states.
 
TSA approved locks are available anywhere they sell paddle locks. Staples has them, I've seen them at Home Depot. They are small locks. I get the Key ones, and try and match the # On the bottom they are marked for the "master key" as 1 through 7. Security just has to look at the bottom of the lock and match up the # with their master.
 
Not sure what "regs" you read that said the lock on your gun case has to be TSA approved, but it's in error.

49 CFR 1540.111(c) (iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.

Since anyone with a TSA master key can open a TSA lock, they are illegal to use on a gun case. The observant will note that the TSA website also encourages you to violate the law by recommending "you provide the combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container."

It's also a good idea to keep an extra padlock inside the case just in the event that for some reason they do cut your lock off, because if it can't be relocked, it's not getting on your flight.
 
TSA approved locks are available anywhere they sell paddle locks.

I had some paddles stolen a while back- I'll pick up some locks for them. ;):D:p
I'll pick up some pumpkin tie downs while I'm at it.

*Just being funny*

I bought some paddle locks a while back for a metal tool box for a trailer.
 
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Not sure what "regs" you read that said the lock on your gun case has to be TSA approved, but it's in error.

49 CFR 1540.111(c) (iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.

Since anyone with a TSA master key can open a TSA lock, they are illegal to use on a gun case. The observant will note that the TSA website also encourages you to violate the law by recommending "you provide the combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container."

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THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT; THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL. I travel regularly whilst toting a gun in checked luggage. TSA locks are used on the hard case containing the gun...and the suitcase itself has a TSA lock.

Be safe.
 
THAT IS A FALSE STATEMENT; THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL. I travel regularly whilst toting a gun in checked luggage. TSA locks are used on the hard case containing the gun...and the suitcase itself has a TSA lock.


I'm not a lawyer, so I'm confused, please elaborate: 49 CFR 1540.111(c) (iv) states "The container in which it is carried (the firearm) is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination". If it's a TSA lock all of the TSA folks have a key.

Are you saying the violation of a federal regulation is not Illegal? Or are you saying that if the TSA says it's OK, then it's not illegal? Or are you saying it's not illegal for the passenger to use a TSA approved lock, or it's not being enforced, so it's not illegal......or....or..... Please elaborate!

The words "sting" and entrapment come to mind...
 
I can drive 100 mph on the interstate, but just because I don't get a ticket (this time) doesn't make it legal.
 
Don't beat yourself up over this. Go to the Airlines web site or call them. The TSA lock is not to be used on the hard case used to carry the gun. We fly Northwest/Delta and here is their rules/regs

Sports Equipment

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm





Pistols

You can bring pistols and accessories as checked baggage as long as they are included in one pistol case and contain:

  • No more than five pistols
  • Pistol telescopes
  • Noise suppressers
  • A small pistol tool case
  • No more than 11 lbs. (5 kg) of ammunition
An excess baggage fee will apply to cases containing more than five pistols.
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Rifles and Shotguns

Delta will accept firearms and shooting equipment packaged as follows:

  • One gun case containing up to a total of four rifles or shotguns, plus shooting materials, and tools
  • One gun case containing up to five handguns, one scope, and tools
  • One bow and quiver of arrows and maintenance kit enclosed in a case or container of sufficient strength to protect the bow and quiver from accidental damage
An excess baggage fee will apply to cases containing more than two rifles. You can check up to two shotguns and two shotgun cases. Ammunition is limited to 11 lbs. (5 kg). An excess baggage fee will apply to cases containing more than two shotguns.
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Shooting equipment

Shooting equipment is accepted as checked baggage only. It must fit within the very specific criteria that we outline below.

  • Declare to the Delta representative that you are checking a firearm
  • Declare the existence of a firearm to security personnel if a security checkpoint is prior to the Delta counter
  • All firearms must be declared by the passenger to a Delta representative at the main ticket counter
  • Present firearm(s) unloaded and sign a "Firearms Unloaded" declaration
  • Firearms must be packed in a manufacturer’s hard–sided container specifically designed for the firearm, a locked hard–sided gun case, or a locked hard–sided piece of luggage. Handguns may be packed in a locked hard–sided gun case, and then packed inside an unlocked soft–sided piece of luggage. However, a Conditional Acceptance Tag must be used in this case.
  • Maintain entry permits in your possession for the country or countries of destination or transit
  • Ensure small arms ammunition is packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood, plastic or metal boxes and provide separation for cartridges
If you need to travel with a weapon as checked baggage, you are responsible for knowledge of and compliance with all Federal, State, or Local laws regarding the possession and transportation of firearms. TSA locks are not approved for securing firearms. For more information about this regulation you can visit the TSA site.
If you are transporting a firearm to the United Kingdom as checked baggage, a permit from the United Kingdom is specifically required. You must contact the United Kingdom for more information about securing this permit.

Ammunition in excess of 11 lbs. per passenger or that contains potential projectiles is not allowed.
 
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I see your points, guys; but the "fact" is I think the regs don't refer to TSA approved locks. No, they don't make that clear but I have regularly carried a pistol in my checked luggage and have always used a TSA lock on both the pistol case and the hard sided suitcase. And, in such airports as Pittsburgh, Hartford/Springfield, and Denver, TSA officials have inspected my luggage/gun case in my presence and have noted the TSA locks. Nary a word that they were in any way "illegal."

Off to go on a boat trip but will do some research tonight or tomorrow and (hopefully) have some finite answer(s.)

Be safe.

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I also use a trigger lock on the pistol. Not a TSA lock for that; don't know if there is such a device.
 
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Off to go on a boat trip but will do some research tonight or tomorrow and (hopefully) have some finite answer(s.)

Be safe.

PS:

I also use a trigger lock on the pistol. Not a TSA lock for that; don't know if there is such a device.


The information I posted above is the "finite" answer.(not because I posted it but it is what the above regs state)

It is not correct or needed to use a TSA lock on the case containing the firearm.
 
This is kinda like the ATF regs. The more I read the more confused I get.
 
The padlocked gun case simply makes it harder for the thief to squirrel your gun away into his pants as he roots through your suitcase.

My suitcase with my guns were lost during a flight leg but fortunately turned up safely later. In the meanwhile, I was sweating it because I realized I had no proof there were guns in my suitcase.

When the counter person issues the red ticket, have him sign another one that you keep on your person, proving you shipped guns inside your luggage.
 
Okay, back with some more info...

First, for OCD1, what you cite are not TSA regs; they're airline rules...Delta's, in your citation. Interestingly, I flew Delta to Spokane in March and did use TSA locks, as always. No problems.

I did check US Airways again (the airline I most use) and there is no such prohibition on TSA locks. Also, in the research I found that American Airlines formerly prohibited TSA locks but they are now acceptable. Transporting Firearms And Ammunition

Interestingly, in the case of travel on US Airways, there is no need for a separate locked case for the firearm. If the suitcase itself is hard sided and lockable, that is sufficient. However, I always use a separate case for the gun; both the gun case and the suitcase are hardsided and utilize TSA locks. The Samsonite suitcase I most often use has TSA locks built in.

Hope this info is useful; it is factual to the best of my knowledge...and experience.

Be safe.
 
Okay, back with some more info...

First, for OCD1, what you cite are not TSA regs; they're airline rules...Delta's, in your citation. Interestingly, I flew Delta to Spokane in March and did use TSA locks, as always. No problems.



Be safe.

If you re read what I posted and quoted, I first stated to call the airlines. I also posted the link to the TSA site which does not say to use TSA locks. The NW/Delta also says you can visit the TSA Site which is the link I posted. The fact that you used TSA locks and had no problem is fine, but it is not what the regulations on the TSA site state. No where in US Airs policy does it mention TSA locks.
http://www.usairways.com/en-US/traveltools/baggage/specialitems.html

So the bottom line to the OP's original question is that TSA lock do not need to be used to secure the firearm case. For instance a hard case that has it's own little lock is fine. If you wish to use TSA locks on the main piece of luggage that is a good idea so they do not destroy your luggage.
 
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