Tweekers

Marshwheeling said:
To be sure, it is a nasty drug, with corrosive social effects, but in my opinion, the prohibition has made those effects much worse than they would otherwise be.

By the way, although I have tried many drugs in the past, I do not use drugs now, and have not for several decades. I am not an apologist for drug use, as I find it tawdry, boring, and a waste of money. But the prohibition is doing more harm than good.
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Did you read this before you posted? In one paragraph you state how nasty it is with corrosive social effects - then you state that the real problem is because it's not legal.

So I'm really confused...once it's legal and all these people have it at at their beck and call, how they going to pay for it? Don't tell me they all work at full time jobs and no at their jobs notice they can't function normally. After all it has corrosive social effects!!

What they going to do when they get terminated and can't find a new job...stop using??? They're going to go on using and turn to crime to pay for it just as they do now. Legalize it and all will be better? Bull - the drug problem is "the drug problem" not prohibition - it's the morons that are using and the garbage that sells drugs to the morons.

Pete
 
Pete99004 said:
Did you read this before you posted? In one paragraph you state how nasty it is with corrosive social effects - then you state that the real problem is because it's not legal.

So I'm really confused...once it's legal and all these people have it at at their beck and call, how they going to pay for it? Don't tell me they all work at full time jobs and no at their jobs notice they can't function normally. After all it has corrosive social effects!!

What they going to do when they get terminated and can't find a new job...stop using??? They're going to go on using and turn to crime to pay for it just as they do now. Legalize it and all will be better? Bull - the drug problem is "the drug problem" not prohibition - it's the morons that are using and the garbage that sells drugs to the morons.

Pete
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Yeah, I read it, and i have thought about it long and hard. The drug has some bad effects, but they are exacerbated by the prohibition, which also introduces some additional effects that are not otherwise present. The War on Drugs is a complete failure. It will always be a failure. It not only artificially inflates the price, it creates an incentive to recruit new users so the small user can sell enough to pay for his habit. The profit motive creates a well-funded criminal enterprise that can and will go to ever greater lengths to circumvent or corrupt the prohibition.
 
rburg said:
This thread has touched on part of another problem. Its cities tolerating the change from owner occupied to rentals or worse still, Section 8 housing. It destroys neighborhoods. The city governments are slow or they just refuse to take any steps. They just leave the houses deteriorate into dumps. There is nothing you can do no matter how much or how bitterly you complain. The excuse I've heard is its private property. I see no reason to have building codes if they won't enforce them.

It would seem that anytime you have very low cost housing, you've got the attendant problems. It includes crime and druggies (they occur together.)
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The city I live in is made up of 33% rental properties. Why so many? You have to understand these rentals were put up in the early forties to house the families of the men going to work in the steel mills. The mills supported the war effort. After the war these rentals were filled and continued to be expanded to house families of returning troops who found jobs in the mills that now supported the boom of the 50's-60's.

Now the town faces an insurmountable mess. The mills are gone. Owners of long existing rental properties were desparate to fill their empty units. About ten 15 years ago Daley of Chicago jumped on the housing boom and "gentrified" his city. Long time Chicago slum and project dwellers moved here because the their old homes are gone, victims of gentrification. Nobody wants this human trash, but since 33% of the city is rentals what happens is section8 rears it's ugly head. The mayor here has done a lot to clean up the city. The policy is now that if crime and drugs are traced to a rental property the owner of that property can have their ability to take section8 revoked.

Section8 and all the entitlement giveaways are really biting us in the butt. I guess it gets boring for all those downtrodden folks sitting around doing nothing. So they does drugs.
 
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glenncal1 said:
My only drugs of choice currently are guiness and tullamore dew (or Jamesons) but I was a teenager in the 70's. I just can't understand the meth explosion. Here in Colorado a once very respected former county sheriff has been arrested for trading meth for sex. The drug seems to be everywhere. Meth heads scare the heck out of me, especially since I have 2 daughters. People call me paranoid for carrying in places that you wouldn't normally worry about, but the tweekers don't seem to respect boundaries. I have no solutions except to protect myself and my loved ones. Rant over, I guess.
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People can call it what they will, but carrying a cw is now simply the act of one who is cognizant of current reality and chooses to prepare accordingly. I know several local pastors who cc. I don't blame them. I am giving it a great deal of thought.
 
I used to rent Section 8 properties. To be fair, to get Section 8 assistance a person has to pass a background check, criminal activity in the unit costs someone their benefits, and all units had to be inspected at least yearly - and the inspectors were picky. Sure some tenants would trash their unit. But that happens with all tenants, you just need to figure them destroying the place into the cost of business.

Of course it remains socially acceptable to say "I don't want Section 8 housing around here" instead of "I don't want Blacks living near me, they lower my property values". Shrug.

Anyway, when I lived in the ghetto, the white head banger meth heads across the street seemed an improvement from the crackheads and general degenerates. At least they always had a lot of energy and were working on things, etc.
 
IMO, addiction is a strange animal. Rx drugs (narctics, etc) are widely abused and addictive but from what I've heard, meth is very addictive.
I've heard it referred to as devil dope and I tend to agree seeing what it does to people and how they act plus the things they do to get more.
 
rfontes,

It is great you are staying clean. It takes a very strong person to pull out of that. And even more strength to be honest about it. I salute you.

Fellow Hoosier, IndianaDave
 
This next to last time I got back into LE, I never thought I'd be involved in the meth scene.

I always fancy'd myself as lawman on the trail of highwaymen or bank bandits, killers and such. Not dopers.

As I remember it was back in 2002 or '03 late winter or early spring.
I passed by this old farm house on the road and this small child was a standing in the doorway.
This little boy about 2 years old wasn't wearing any clothes to speak of, just a diaper and tee shirt.

The temp that morning was below freezing. His folks were "air-in" the house out from cooking or saltin' out
methamphetamine oil from the nite before.

That sure nuff stuck in my craw. I decided right there I was gonna get involved.

Let's just say I enjoyed kickin the door open on that lab more than any of the other of dozens I've been involved in busting and cleaning up.
(The 'cook' is still doin federal time under project save neighborhoods.)

When a user is on a meth binge, staying up for days at a stretch and "tweakin" those folks are dangerous to say the least.

Got into a little mexican stand-off with a tweaker in a dark hallway once...Kinda touch and go who was gonna get shot first.

Saw houses blown apart from meth labs, saw families torn apart from the use of meth.

From the one-step cook to the super labs, it brings no good to anyone.

Boys, bring out the chem-tech suits and the air packs!
Everyone should work rural dope...It's a whole other world.

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Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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That jug of HEET. Is that why we can't buy Red Devil Lye? Is Sodium Hydroxide a component? Now I'm startin' to hatin'

Just for the sake of argument here, I'm guessin' Meth isn't a very expensive compound to make. All the law enforcement efforts have been directed at making the ingredients hard to impossible to obtain, or expensive at least. I've got to sign and show ID for sudafed, I've been given the 3rd degree to buy a can of quick start (guess ethel ether is or can be used.) What would happen if we just deregulated all the stuff. Let them buy it for the old cost, mix as much as they want. It certainly would reduce the income pressure on them. Wouldn't be nearly the need to trash church airconditioners, destroy empty houses and what not. Seems that might be a less costly alternative to society. Instead of tens of thousands of dollars in damage to the museum up the road, they wouldn't need nearly as much to get their high. The end result will still be the same, they're still toast.

The only difference will be how much damage they do on the way out. If it means dozens of home break in's avoided, probably hundreds of car windows not broken out, and then a minor depression in the home HVAC business, we're ahead.

Law enforcement can't stop the problem. Even if they get really lucky and solve one or two crimes, the methheads will just get probation or be out in short order. Then they can go back to the old ways.
 
sheriffoconee said:
Keith, we seem to find meth labs in bunches, and the are mobile too
Officials Search Vehicle Suspected of Containing Meth Ingredients - Oconee, GA Patch
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Yup Sheriff,
We've found as many as 6 and 7 cook sites to clean up on the same piece of property...

More one-steps now, less red-P cooks.

Mobile rollin cooks are on the rise as is creek side and under the bridge get togethers.

Had one bunch of folks that co-op'd their operation...Wemen would do the pill shopping in a 4 or 5 county area.
Men would do the stealin and cookin. They'd make it a social event, one gal told me they would grill stolen steaks,
drink stolen beer and make meth...One big party!

"It's not the one thing, it's the tide...The dismal tide."
 
Couple of years ago.............

we were putting up a new fence on the back side of one our Parks and found a couple of coolers full of fixings.

About 250 yards away we noticed an oxygen thief standing on top of his mobile home watching us. We asked the SO to check on him as they came by to pick up the coolers. He was cooking in the trailer when they arrived, and he was out on bond from previous manufacturing charges.

I don't think he is going to end well.

Our folks are arresting these types on a more regular basis.It is everywhere in Arkansas. Not long ago I stopped to back a Trooper when I heard him out with a guy with a lengthy history. While I kept an eye on the driver the Trooper found 54 grams of meth in the PU. They just won't quit this **** until they are dead.

I still don't understand how someone can ingest this vile concoction of ingredients.
 
I first heard the term "tweaker" when I was working part time as a messenger for a photographic developer in Chicago in the late '70s during college. A lot of guys from half-way houses worked there as messengers. I knew that the person being referred to was an addict, but I never really knew to what.

The freak in question was hassling one of the female employees, a really nice woman who was a sergeant in the Illinois Army National Guard. Several of us got together and warned him that if it continued, he might "accidentally" fall down the elevator shaft.

Fortunately, we never had much trouble with the troops with meth when I was in the Army. I guess that came later.
 
ditrina said:
Now I know I'm old..

I saw the title of the thread and thought it was about making small adjustments on a mechanical device:o
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Sal,
That is just about the story behind it I do believe...When Meth users are on a binge, staying awake for days at a time.

We find evidence of where they work or tinker with stuff, taking it apart and never gettin it back together.

Out in the the country it is common for 'tweekers' to work on
or tweak an old car or truck for months at a stretch, never to run again.

It is so sad...Young folks that come from good families with a world of opportunity at their feet, turn to meth and fall to the dismal tide.

Some snort it, some smoke it, others inject or slam it.
At the end of the day...Gack ain't all that.

It truly breaks my heart to see our children with muilt-colored hair, safety pins run through their cheeks,
those stud things stuck anywhere and everywhere, bones in their noses.

Boys, what's it all comin' too?

Su Amigo,
Dave
 
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