Two questions about my new M&P9c

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Went to my LGS in search of a used 4506 or 4566 (or any other 3rd gen that caught my eye!). They didn't have either but I came home with a LNIB M&P9c. I generally don't go for polymer guns (did not own any until last night) but this is one I have been considering for a while and I got a deal I couldn't refuse.

1- I usually use the slide stop lever on my autos to release a locked-back slide on a fresh magazine. I do this with my 1911, my Hi-Power and my 3rd gen S+W's. Many advise against this practice. OK, I do it, you may not. It's not my intention that this as a general practice be the point of this thread, only as it specifically applies to the M&P. I did NOT do this with my new M&P last night because I tried and was unable to with normal pressure. I did not want to try to force it until I consulted the manual. The manual does not specifically address this issue. Has anyone asked S+W about this or have they published anything on it? (The manual does state, after inserting a loaded mag: "Pull the slide to the rear, press down on the slide stop to release the slide and allow it to carry fully forward. This strips a cartridge from the magazine and seats it in the chamber of the barrel.") Two things I note, 1st is they tell you to pull the slide to the rear AND press the slide stop. When the slide is locked back and you insert a loaded mag, you don't have to push down the stop, you only have to pull the slide back and release it. The other thing is they do not specifically tell us not to release the slide by simply pressing down the stop. I guess I am just unsure if they are designed to not allow this method or if mine is just a little stiff and maybe I could do this if I exerted a little more pressure.

2- The takedown procedure as described in the manual has you removing the "frame-tool" and using it to move the sear de-activation lever down into the magwell. Is it necessary to remove the frame tool if you are only going to use it to move the SDL or is it's only function holding the grip insert in place? When I'm cleaning my guns I have any number of items around I can use to move that lever. I have removed the tool because the manual tells me to but if it's only function is holding the insert in place and using it to move that SDL, I think I'll just leave it where it is all the time.

Looks like there is now another page on this forum I will have to frequent!Thanks in advance for replies. Shoot safe.
 
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I went and looked at my M&P FS and I can close the slide the way you describe. The slide stop engages a notch in the slide (my pistol). Assuming you have a loaded mag in the pistol, i cannot see any harm in doing it that way. You do not do this without a loaded mag do you? On a 1911 they do not recommend you do this without bullets in the mag.The slide stop may need to be polished or smoothed a bit on the edge that contacts the slide.

Again re. the takedown, I flip the lever on the side, close the slide (no mag in pistol), and pull the trigger and the slide goes off fine. I believe S&W says to do it this way to avoid negligent discharges.
 
Can only answer for myself but everything I've read on the M&P indicates the slide stop is just that, a slide stop, and is not intended to also act as a slide release. I know it doesn't seem logical when compared to other semi-autos but I just insert the fresh magazine and then slingshot the slide using the rear serrations.

As far as the take down goes I just use whatever is handy to rotate the sear lever as the special tool really serves no special purpose other than holding the backstrap in place.
 
I have had M&P's for some time now and have always used the slide stop to release the slide and chamber a round when loading a magazine.Have never had a problem.It may be stiff at first but will get easier as the pistol gets broken in a bit.
As far as the the sear lever goes,anything that will reach it and move it to the downward position will work just fine.
 
Using the slide stop as a slide release is a poor technique that will fail you in moments of crisis. It's a "fine motor skill." It's also in a different position in many pistols which makes it an even poorer choice.

While the very best Gun Games shooters may use it they practice thousands of rounds a month and with specific, highly maintained pistols. Mere mortals like us emulating their techniques rarely works without the same dedication and practice.

I know of no professional training course that permits students to use the slide stop as a slide release. In fact it's considered the sign of a self-trained or poorly-trained shooter. Reach over and cycle the slide. For everything. Lock open, close, clear stoppages, everything. Slide stop release is taught as an emergency method in the event your support hand is injured or otherwise unavailable.

Buy a couple of cases of ammo and save up $500 for a 3-day "basic" tactical pistol course. It will open your eyes. But most of us would rather just pretend...

As for the disassembly question, the M&P comes apart just like a Glock. Clear the pistol, rotate the lever, ease the slide forward, and pull the trigger. Click, the slide comes off the front of the frame.

-- Chuck
 
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I use the slide stop as a release and I know it is wrong. I've been looking for a support group to get help, but there are none in my area.

I believe it takes fine motor skills and this is BAD and I should concentrate on gross skills or un-fine skills or whatever other type skills I need to rack the slide in a manner that expert gun handlers do.

I really feel bad about what I do. I just can't stop. I'm afraid I'll be out at my shooting range and one of my buddies will see me using the slide stop as a release and then my secret will be out. Maybe it will make local news, and I really can't afford that kind of bad press!


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Thanks for answering the two questions I had about my new pistol! :D

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that.
 
Yep,using the slide stop to release the slide is a terible addiction..I feel your pain Lost Lake ;)
 
Yep,using the slide stop to release the slide is a terible addiction..I feel your pain Lost Lake ;)

As long as we are being open I may as well confess it all....

I once called it a slide release and was thoroughly tongue lashed for my ineptitude. :(

I guess on some guns it may be but not on mine. It depends on the size of the lever as compared to the size of the finger used to operate the lever and then a big part depends on the person critiquing what I do.... :D
 
I just flip the slide release and let her fly. Oh, if you take that frame tool out a whole lot you will break that little plastic tab that fits into the slot. I just got a new one from S&W today in the mail...lol.
 
I have an m&p40 and when disassembling it I don't have to pull the trigger to get the slide to come off. Is this normal?
 
You do not need to pull the trigger to remove the slide.

As for the slide lock, I can hit the slide lock with my thumb and it will release. I can NOT do the same with my M&P40c. The difference is the recoil spring. The 40c is significantly stronger than the 40 full size. By the way i believe this is why some report that slapping a magazine in will release the slide lock as well. If I slap the mag in with any force. The slide releases. I am sure it is due to the recoil spring tension. I am not that familiar with the reasons good or bad for having a week vs strong recoil spring. Both guns perform just fine at the range.
 
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What’s a slide release? Slam the mag. home and you never have to touch it! I know this will cause withdraw symptoms for slide release addicts. But I hear shooting a lot and very often ease the symptoms. And then there’s always rehab!
 
Heck, if you slam that magazine home hard enough the slide releases all by itself! :eek:
Most of my M&P's do as well but not necessarily all the time Both my 45's seem to do it consistently but since I have been spending less time shooting my 9mm it is hard to say!

My 40C (which is now a 357C, well while I am running it through a its test) seems to auto forward almost as consistently as the two 45's
 
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