U.S. Government collecting info on gun owners...

[Hellraiser]

I know this is not surprising... but this is not good news. Hope this is the right place to post this violation against our 2nd Amendment rights....

It is absolutely forbidden for the U.S. Government to collect information on gun owners...

But read it and weep...

Gun Owners' Personal Information Is Being Illegally Collected and Stored by the ATF | RedState



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[Ballistic147]

Best I can tell all the information that was illegally stored was regarding multiple firearm purchases within the same week at the same dealer. My LGS always recommends against this because anytime you purchase more than 1 gun from the same dealer in I believe five days or less it is required that the dealer report the purchase to the BATF. Last year I did purchase 3 guns on the same day but all were from different dealers at a gun show so nothing was "reported".

Personally, the government doesn't need to know anything else about me than they already do. Not that I have anything to hide but at some point enough is enough. I'm sure there will be no fallout from the findings of this report either.

 

[Comrad]

This is a lot like taking 10 grand to the bank, that's reported too. Fortunately for me that's not a problem. LOL

Remember, they warned us about Big Brother. He's watching and knows who's naughty and nice.

 

[joebiker]

Seems our government has proformed lots of illegal things lately.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Meh. They probably already lost it to the Chinese anyway . . .

 

[Out West]

Seems like, and I could be wrong, the Government has kinda gone off the rails since the Patriot Act was passed. Just about anybody can be and may be a suspect. All kinds of data collection can be justified for anything that can be loosely be related to "national security". Depends on who is power and what their prejudices may be, but privacy is pretty much gone.

 

[msjdgman]

I think this revelation pretty much means that the tin foil hats can be put back in the closet on this subject.

 

[Neely52]

Must be one heck of a big data base!

Texas has a data base of all non-gun owners, it is much easier to keep up with, doesn't take up as much room on their hard drive.

 

[Old TexMex]

Semi auto long gun purchases in border states have been recorded and maintained for several years. We're "different" apparently.
Fact Sheet - Multiple Firearms Sales or Other Disposition Reporting | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

 

[BigBill]

For. Buying one gun at a time I wait over a week. Multiple gun at onetime purchases throws up a red flag. Your dealer should tell you this.

 

[jimbo728]

You can bet if your 4473 is done on a computer, they have it.
Last rifle I bought at WM the 4473 was done on computer. All of it.
Jim

 

[BB57]

Best I can tell all the information that was illegally stored was regarding multiple firearm purchases within the same week at the same dealer. My LGS always recommends against this because anytime you purchase more than 1 gun from the same dealer in I believe five days or less it is required that the dealer report the purchase to the BATF.

I think you are correct.

Personally, I don't worry about it. I've had gun shops offer to hold the second gun for me until the following week, but that's just dancing around the requirement.

Given the necessity of a security clearance in my job, there's not much the government doesn't know about me already and buying two guns in one week doesn't put me on a watch list.

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That said it's a pretty useless requirement, that just creates needless paperwork. The government could still note the multiple NICS checks in a 1 week period anyway - even if multiple FFLs are involved.

Would it make any difference? No. The Orlando shooting is a good example of two purchases in the same week, but absent other evidence there's no way to investigate every multiple purchase that occurs - and even with additional concerns noted in that case, there wasn't adequate resources to follow up what would have been just one of many suspicious person reports that week.

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That highlights the other reality in government data collection. Even when they collect it, they seldom use it, and even when they do, it's after the fact and doesn't prevent anything.

 

[fordson]

Several years ago I purchased two 1911's on the same day from Impact Guns. One, a Colt in 38 Super, the other a SA in 45 ACP. I received an email from them advising that due to BATF regs, they would have to report my purchase. I told them to complete the Colt buy and cancel the SA. A week later I went back to them and bought the SA. Got a good deal on two great pistols but didn't really think much of it at the time.

 

[bdGreen]

I personally took in an eleven gun purchase at my dealer's a few years back.
The only feedback was from him. All that paperwork.

Never heard a word from the feds.

And, yes, you have to fill out a multiple purchase form at the time of purchase.

bdGreen

 

[cololab]

One data gathering operation I didn't see mentioned in the above thread is the collection of multiple firearms purchases being reported to local law enforcement agencies. Here in Colorado there are at least two (maybe more) local agencies that require FFL holders to file such reports. No telling what happens to that information.

 

[islandguy]

Remember, they warned us about Big Brother. He's watching and knows who's naughty and nice.

You're confusing Big Brother with Santa Claus! Santa is a good guy who gives things away. Big Brother is a (very) bad guy who takes everything he can get his hands on.

 

[filipows]

At a town hall meeting with Senator Crapo of Idaho I asked what happened to the information submitted for background checks. He said in theory, operative theory, it is retained for about six months, some administrative thing. He said that it is being held indefinitely. I wanted to send a message to follow up but I am not able to do so.


I know this is not surprising... but this is not good news. Hope this is the right place to post this violation against our 2nd Amendment rights....

It is absolutely forbidden for the U.S. Government to collect information on gun owners...

But read it and weep...

Gun Owners' Personal Information Is Being Illegally Collected and Stored by the ATF | RedState



(I don't contribute much good to many forums... but I hope to do more "good" in the future.)
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[jtpur]

So,I hope I don't get tagged with a violation of talking politics. IN some FLorida House (STATE not Federal ) and Senate races some candidates are openly advertising and bragging about F ratings from the NRA. THere are adds attacking some incumbents of supporting possession of firearms during emergencies, calling the people Unlicensed gun owners who are under stress and will act irrationally during emergencies.

SO I wonder if there is not a movement by those in our Federal and State governments to try to outlaw guns, repeal the 2A, or otherwise have a data bases that would allow the government to confiscate our firearms.

I feel that the 2A is under more attack now than ever in our history. IF there were a 2A doomsday clock we are now 2 minutes from a repeal of the 2A and or a ban on firearms, or the requirement to be licensed and then like Some states, licenses will be impossible to obtain.

 

[Squarebutt]

She says she won't do that.

 

[jtpur]

Data base

She says she won't do that.

Don't know who you refer too, however one lady I heard say that has been known to,tell more tails than a fisherman. JUst sayin.