Uberti Cattleman El Patron .45 colt

[parsonbw]

Wonder if any of you single action shooters can answer this question:
What is the difference between the Uberti Cattleman 1873 El Patron model #345075, and the model #345175? They are both identical as far as I can tell. The gun shop has both models, with different model numbers.
They are the 5 1/2 inch barrel, 45colt, both have the case hardened and blue finish on barrel and back strap, wolff factory springs already installed. Any info greatly appreciated. I want to know the difference before purchase. Long time shooter, but can't figure this one out. These are factory model numbers, and not a label typo. Thanks

 

[Dobie406]

I don't see a model #345175 on Uberti web site? I just got the SASS Pro version and so far am pleased

 

[bigwheelzip]

The web site shows the differences.

Uberti’s factory custom-tuned models have…

Color case-hardened or stainless steel frames
Numbered cylinders
Steel backstraps and trigger guards
Checkered walnut grips
Wide, easy-view front and rear sights

The gunsmiths at Uberti have fitted each El Patrón with high-grade, U.S.-manufactured Wolff® springs. And each revolver has been carefully tested and certified for fit and function. They are reliable, light, and fast, with a smooth-tuned action.

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[parsonbw]

The web site shows the differences.

Uberti’s factory custom-tuned models have…

Color case-hardened or stainless steel frames
Numbered cylinders
Steel backstraps and trigger guards
Checkered walnut grips
Wide, easy-view front and rear sights

The gunsmiths at Uberti have fitted each El Patrón with high-grade, U.S.-manufactured Wolff® springs. And each revolver has been carefully tested and certified for fit and function. They are reliable, light, and fast, with a smooth-tuned action.

Uberti 1873 El Patr'on Cartridge Revolver - YouTube

Thanks for the reply. After posting I called Stoeger Industries, the importer of Uberti, at first he didn't know himself. He couldn't come up the model #345175. After much checking and ten minutes, this was his answer: The model #345075 has four clicks when cocking the hammer, and the model #345175 has only three clicks. I promise that was his answer. The model #345075 is the newest, and he told me the other model was being dis-continued. Now I'm as confused as I was before. But both models have the same inside works except the three clicks, which must be a new type of hammer. (my words, not his) I also asked if it could be a typo on box label, and he said no.

 

[bigwheelzip]

OK, I did not investigate model number specifics, but I know they were adding a modern internal safety to the original Colt design, like the Ruger does. This allows you to safely lower the hammer on a loaded chamber, but diverges from the historical accuracy of the design.

Still have not looked up the models to see if that's it, but will do that now.

Found it, yes that model has what they call a retractable firing pin design.

This is the write up on the revised design:

The Uberti El Patron with retractable firing pin is a breakthrough for those seeking enhanced safety with regard to original Old West revolvers without sacrificing the visual authenticity of a 1st-generation Colt.

As any cowboy knows, the safest way to carry a single-action is with the hammer resting on an unloaded chamber. This is true even for the Uberti retractable firing pin design. But in the case of the Uberti design, the risk of accidental discharge is reduced: the firing pin is not locked into the firing position unless the trigger is pulled.

This enhanced safety feature is available without a visible transfer bar safety, which those who insist on visual authenticity might not want. In other words, from the outside this revolver's looks and operation are identical to those of an original.

Here is a recent review of a Cattleman with the new safety.

Fresh Take: Uberti 1873 Cattleman II - Shooting Times

Reading up on the new safety feature, I see numerous negative comments from purists. The same type of comments seen on this forum from people that hate the internal lock on S&W revolvers. Basically calling it a solution in search of a problem.

 

[parsonbw]

Thanks bigwheel. I am looking at both at a major gun supplier. I will get a better look tomorrow, and a closer exam. What blew my mind is that even a Stoeger rep didn't know the difference. Well, I've seen stranger things in the gun world!

 

[boykinlp]

Are they both the same price?

 

[parsonbw]

UPDATE: Just found out the difference between the above mentioned Uberti Cattleman El Patron. The guns are identical except the model #345175 is Maryland compliant. The model #345075 (which is what I purchased), is the 'four click' model.
Something with the Maryland compliant revolver has a slightly different safety feature. I got the one I wanted.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Congratulations.

That original, no safety model would have been my choice also.

Some of the folks I've spoken to about the El Patron say the Wolff springs, checkered grips, and tuning make it a good choice. Stop back with a range report, and some pics of course.

 

[parsonbw]

I got rid of all my reloading equip. a long time ago. Looking now for the best factory load for plinking. Anyone have suggestions?
Don't want the smokey cowboy stuff. Thinking about the Fiocchi 250grain lead round nose. About 800fps, coating with a type of wax to prevent extreme lead fouling. What do you'all thinkK

 

[wild47]

When you can get them... these are nice and clean to shoot.

45 Long Colt 255 gr FP New | Freedom Munitions

 

[reddog81]

Congrats. I got my one a couple months ago on a trade(I gave up a Ruger Blackhawk). The only factory rounds though it have been some 45 schofield ultramax loads. They were very accurate and light recoiling. I have been impressed with the accuracy along with the fit and finish of the gun.

 

[parsonbw]

When you can get them... these are nice and clean to shoot.

45 Long Colt 255 gr FP New | Freedom Munitions

Thanks, wild47. I have checked, and they are out of the ammo you suggested. I'm on a notification when they come in.

And reddog, I'll try yours also. I'll have to try different stuff until I find what works best for me. I completely disassembled the gun yesterday, very dry inside, but after a good oiling, very smooth.