Ultradot Pan AV

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So I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Red Dot. I'd like something a little better than the chinese made knockoffs but don't want to spend Eotech money.

I've pretty much boiled it down to the Ultradot PAN AV although I'm still considering the c-more sights. The only thing I don't like about the c-more is that you have to buy a large MOA dot with it and then spend more money ot get a plug in module for the size you actually want. That rubs me thw wrong way.

Does anyone have any experience with the Ultradot Pan AV?
 
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That thing looks just like the $30 NCstar red dot. I see them re-branded for a wide range of prices, but $200? Wow someone is ripping people off good.
 
Check out the TruGlo sights. They make a turkey sight that has a 3 MOA dot and their regular sight is 4 or 5 MOA. They usually come with snap up lens covers and the adjusters have nice screw on covers. I think they are a nice step up above the $30 sights. Shop around for them as prices vary.
 
Below is a link to Midway (with pic) for the UltraDot Pan-A-V selling for a whopping $200. Also below is a pic of my SightMark that I have had for a year or so. I purchased for $39.95. The SightMark has held up well and has the identical specs and functions as the UltraDot.

My guess is that UltraDot slapped on a sticker with a fancy name and gave it a lifetime warranty for a 500% markup in price so folks think they are buying something better than 'Chinese made knock-offs". Probably made at the same Chinese labor camp as all the others with different labels slapped on.... BSA, Sigtmark, TruGlow, Leapers... on and on...

UltraDot Pan-A-V Reflex Red Dot Sight 1x 33mm 4 Reticle with Integral Weaver-Style Base Matte - MidwayUSA

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I've never heard of these things, but when it comes to riflescopes i can tell you japan makes stuff second best to germany. It does very strangely look like many of the china made ones out there however. Either someone decided to take their idea and make it into a higher quality item or it is just the same as the cheap chinese ones with some weird suppy chain process.

heres a very similar one in look and design. I can guess all the $40 ones are gonna be made in china, but i've never heard of the japanese one, more research would be needed.

Amazon.com: Firefield Reflex Sight (Red/Green): Sports & Outdoors
 
grimreaper21 said:
I've never heard of these things, but when it comes to riflescopes i can tell you japan makes stuff second best to germany. It does very strangely look like many of the china made ones out there however. Either someone decided to take their idea and make it into a higher quality item or it is just the same as the cheap chinese ones with some weird suppy chain process.

heres a very similar one in look and design. I can guess all the $40 ones are gonna be made in china, but i've never heard of the japanese one, more research would be needed.

Amazon.com: Firefield Reflex Sight (Red/Green): Sports & Outdoors
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Several people at the range have the tube style red dots from Ultradot. I handled one and the quality was quite nice. What attracted me to it was that it (supposedly) is made in Japan.

I agree with everyone they look a lot like the sightmark red dots, although it's difficult to gauge if they are the same size etc. At 34mm the objective is pretty big for that style of open red dot. The sightmark I saw at the store was very small.
 
That Firefield is yet another re-branded, higher priced example. Don't kid yourself that any of these sights are "made in japan" or higher quality. Look at them. All the same sight, just different labels and prices.

The NcSTAR Red Dot Reflex Sight is $30.20 on Amazon right now with free shipping. Don't get ripped off.
 
Dragon88 said:
That Firefield is yet another re-branded, higher priced example. Don't kid yourself that any of these sights are "made in japan" or higher quality. Look at them. All the same sight, just different labels and prices.

The NcSTAR Red Dot Reflex Sight is $30.20 on Amazon right now with free shipping. Don't get ripped off.
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Well, I took various pictures of theses red dots and viewed them side by side. Similar? yes, very. Identical? no

What does that mean? I don't know. But the other brands get cloned, why not ultradot? I know a fair number of folks at the gun club that swear by them.

I'm not saying you aren't right. Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

That's why I was looking for someone on here who actually owned one.
 
A little over $200 seems to be your price range, have you considered a Burris Fastfire II with a riser? I put one of these on my carbine recently (real AR) and like it very much.
 
Dragon88 said:
A little over $200 seems to be your price range, have you considered a Burris Fastfire II with a riser? I put one of these on my carbine recently (real AR) and like it very much.
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Do you have a real 15-22?
 
Dragon88 said:
A little over $200 seems to be your price range, have you considered a Burris Fastfire II with a riser? I put one of these on my carbine recently (real AR) and like it very much.
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Yes I'd considered Burris. I saw a VERY nice Burris scope at the local sporting goods store and fell in love with it. It was $650 though, which was an outstanding price for what is normally a $900 optic. However, I've read a LOT of bad things about Burris' customer support and difficulties getting items warrantied. So I had kind of scratched them off the list.

The FastFire is the one I saw that was in my price range, but I've never laid my hands on one. What are your impressions?
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
I think the tube style UltraDots are a cut above. Read this.

Encyclopedia of Bullseye Pistol
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Interesting. Certainly sounds like Ultradot is of some quality. Although he only referenced tube style sights.

I'm not sure they'd risk their "Made in Japan" reputation to play it fast and loose with a Chinese product, but stranger things have certainly happened.
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
Below is a link to Midway (with pic) for the UltraDot Pan-A-V selling for a whopping $200. Also below is a pic of my SightMark that I have had for a year or so. I purchased for $39.95. The SightMark has held up well and has the identical specs and functions as the UltraDot.

My guess is that UltraDot slapped on a sticker with a fancy name and gave it a lifetime warranty for a 500% markup in price so folks think they are buying something better than 'Chinese made knock-offs". Probably made at the same Chinese labor camp as all the others with different labels slapped on.... BSA, Sigtmark, TruGlow, Leapers... on and on...

UltraDot Pan-A-V Reflex Red Dot Sight 1x 33mm 4 Reticle with Integral Weaver-Style Base Matte - MidwayUSA

chattanoogaphil-albums-pics-picture3918-dsc04268.jpg
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You forgot to link to your Sightmark.

I saw a sightmark at the sporting goods store. They couldn't get any of the demo units to work, so I gave them a miss.
 
Bitbyte said:
My 15-22 certainly feels real :P
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Mine does too ;). It's just that Dragon88 regularly refers to his "real AR" in the 15-22 section but never read any postings about him having a "real 15-22". Just wondering what kind of 15-22 he may have?
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
Mine does too ;). It's just that Dragon88 regularly refers to his "real AR" in the 15-22 section but never read any postings about him having a "real 15-22". Just wondering what kind of 15-22 he may have?
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How does one go about defining a "real AR"? Hmmm. hehe

I'd imagine that bagging about owning a 15-22 in the M&P 15 section wouldn't garner much in the way of respect though. <shrug>

:D
 
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