How about a moral duty? Whatever happened to that duty and the pride in knowing you did the right thing?
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How about a moral duty? Whatever happened to that duty and the pride in knowing you did the right thing?
Ivan the Butcher
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In around 2003, a Columbus PD officer that did Special Duty for me, was on his beat and got a domestic call. When the second cruiser arrived, the husband took off running, and my guy turned to chase him, and tripped on the tongue of the ski boat trailer. He sprained his thumb (on non shooting hand) and was off for 3 weeks, then applied for permanent disability! He could do Special Duty, he could play softball and mow his grass! That sounded more like extreme Blue Flu! He wanted to leave Ohio and go live with a girl friend in Austria, and get away from child support!
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Wow, some of these comments in here....
Some of you should serve in a cops pair of shoes for just one year, then tell us what you`ve learned. I wont pass judgement on the officers until i read BOTH sides of the story, without the spin on EITHER story of course.
Some of you should serve in a cops pair of shoes for just one year, then tell us what you`ve learned. I wont pass judgement on the officers until i read BOTH sides of the story, without the spin on EITHER story of course.
cmort666
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If it's not enforceable by a court of law, it barely rises to the level of suggestion.
I guarantee you that Scot Peterson, apart from some playacting for the cameras, feels not one iota of remorse for leaving the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas kids to die. He went home safe with his pension. He's sitting on his bass boat, drinking beer and laughing at the suckers who're paying for it all.
To him, unlike the kids and teachers who died defending others, HE "did the right thing", since he's around to make excuses for it and play the victim.
I may be as thick as treacle but this thread appears to be a dog whistle to lump all cops together. Like Absolom said the media is playing off one scant story.
We should wait for more info before we light the torches.
We should wait for more info before we light the torches.
cmort666
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If I provided that level of "service" on my job, I'd have been fired on the first day.
My personal code of morals and ethics rises way above any level of suggestion. These are how I chose to live my life. If there is an afterlife, I believe that I show up with a clear conscience and a smile on my face.
I do thank you for sharing your thoughts.
cmort666
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Sixty four years have taught me not to assume that people have the same morals that I do, or indeed that they have any morals at all. Not assuming that has eliminated a lot of disappointment.
Read enough history and you'll learn not to assume that somebody you don't know personally is going to do the right thing... or that their version of "the right thing" even vaguely resembles yours. Remember, the SS at Malmedy and Ouradour sur Glaine and the Japanese in Manila knew to a certainty that they were doing "the right thing".
I finally got to read the story. Thirty two years in LE and I am bewildered by this story, there just has to be more to this.
I'll say this much about what's around the corner. You get what you pay for in any occupation, plumber, Doctor, whatever. When these certain cities defund their police, the applicants you are going to get will be sketchy.
Every major city PD that lowered the standards during the Affirmative Action push of the 70s-80s ended up having Federal Oversite Monitoring because of the rampant corruption. Here we go again.
I'll say this much about what's around the corner. You get what you pay for in any occupation, plumber, Doctor, whatever. When these certain cities defund their police, the applicants you are going to get will be sketchy.
Every major city PD that lowered the standards during the Affirmative Action push of the 70s-80s ended up having Federal Oversite Monitoring because of the rampant corruption. Here we go again.
I've read enough history to know that most did what they did to avoid being beheaded or disemboweled, or being shot or sent to the Russian front . . .
BigBill
Absent Comrade
Go to the shelter and get a dog. Then record the dogs barking. Had both when the bad guy comes a knocking.
cmort666
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Read the book Soldiers: German POWs on Fighting, Killing, and Dying by Sonke Neitzel and see the Germans in their own words. They largely did what they did because they believed their orders were legitimate. Some, by their own admission, did it for FUN.
This has left me speechless. As a retired educator, this strongly suggests that what happened at Marjorie Stoneman HS was the product of an institutional culture. Yes, it is true that this article appears to be absent of support from competing news agencies. However, knowing how some (print) news outlets no longer rely on reporters, but police blotters, the lack of supporting articles is understandable. This article leads me to wonder what would happen to the disabled elderly resident had he neutralized the threat out of necessity!
LoboGunLeather
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I read that article when it appeared a couple of weeks ago. My reactions were obviously speculative in nature, but what I first envisioned was a first or second line supervisor directing the response, ordering the responding units to form a perimeter to contain the situation prior to committing any officers to approach the scene of an in-progress crime. Victim remained on the phone, literally begging for help, and a neighbor also witnessed some of the action and called to report what she could see and hear. I speculate is that the supervisor(s) in charge of the response took that as more of an opportunity to be exploited, rather than indicating a necessity for immediate intervention.
Why this might be done (further speculation, admittedly) could be either a legitimate attempt to mitigate a dangerous situation, or a decision based upon a desire to demonstrate command authority, possibly a decision made due to concerns about a response that could be interpreted as heavy-handed or over-reaction, perhaps even a combination of all of these factors.
Sewage tends to flow downhill, but accountability runs all the way up the hill. The highest ranking supervisor involved will always be among the first to be thrown under the bus.
Enough of my speculation. This will almost certainly become one of the textbook examples for future operational planning and response.
We all remember the Florida school shooting and reports of the school resource officer later fired for apparently cowardly behavior by remaining outside instead of attempting to intervene. Very few now remember reports that the supervisor in charge ordered all units to move into a containment perimeter and specifically not to go inside. (By the way, the deputy mentioned was subsequently reinstated with full back pay, for what that might be worth now that his name and reputation have been publicly trashed).
About 20 years ago a somewhat similar response was made to the Columbine School shooting incident. Perimeter control, containment, lengthy delay prior to entering, all the killing done before direct help was delivered. Afterward, the new doctrine of rapid and direct entry and intervention became the norm.
More recently we have seen multiple examples of public and media response to any tragedy in which the cops can be singled out for blame.
Why this might be done (further speculation, admittedly) could be either a legitimate attempt to mitigate a dangerous situation, or a decision based upon a desire to demonstrate command authority, possibly a decision made due to concerns about a response that could be interpreted as heavy-handed or over-reaction, perhaps even a combination of all of these factors.
Sewage tends to flow downhill, but accountability runs all the way up the hill. The highest ranking supervisor involved will always be among the first to be thrown under the bus.
Enough of my speculation. This will almost certainly become one of the textbook examples for future operational planning and response.
We all remember the Florida school shooting and reports of the school resource officer later fired for apparently cowardly behavior by remaining outside instead of attempting to intervene. Very few now remember reports that the supervisor in charge ordered all units to move into a containment perimeter and specifically not to go inside. (By the way, the deputy mentioned was subsequently reinstated with full back pay, for what that might be worth now that his name and reputation have been publicly trashed).
About 20 years ago a somewhat similar response was made to the Columbine School shooting incident. Perimeter control, containment, lengthy delay prior to entering, all the killing done before direct help was delivered. Afterward, the new doctrine of rapid and direct entry and intervention became the norm.
More recently we have seen multiple examples of public and media response to any tragedy in which the cops can be singled out for blame.
Art Doc
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I will call the police to remove the body.
cmort666
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You're mistaken.
A DIFFERENT deputy was reinstated due to an administrative screwup involving deadlines for certain actions to be taken by the employer.
Scott Peterson, coward #1, is STILL coward #1 and still fired. He's awaiting criminal prosecution which will almost certainly go nowhere due to his lack of a legal duty to protect. I also believe he's being sued, which will similarly go nowhere even more directly due to a lack of legal duty. Any suit against the Sheriff's Department is probably similarly doomed. Now the school system, that's a horse of a different ballgame. They probably HAVE a duty to provide a "safe learning environment", since they have a captive audience, unable to defend itself.
Scott Peterson was a coward, is a coward, and will be a coward until the day he dies.
Exmilcop
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Almost as sad as what's happening here in Canada. At least the old guy had the legal right to defend his home with a firearm. If I did that, no matter the circumstances, I'd be arrested, my firearms confiscated, forced to defend myself in court, lucky to avoid prison and even luckier if I got my firearms license and/or my firearms back.
Just a point of parliamentary procedure here. It's "Scot" Peterson. One t. "Scott" Peterson is a convicted murderer.
dasnake
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Me too.
Being on the other side of this rathole I have to disagree on a few points,you would not be able to avoid prison, as your/my lives are not worth anything compared to the scum that are involved in these incidents, you would be civilly chargeable for any hurt you caused the said perps.
With the help of Berlew and the CSSA you might and I say a great pause with that might, get your license and guns back.
We have no basic right to self defense if there is any wayout of a situation, turn and run, probably getting shot in the back, also our ridiculous storage laws, the ability of police to gain entry with a no knock warrent your life can and will be made hell if a dox call, a false firearm report or merely a medical emergency that allows police into your house and then nose around when everyone is busy.
Kanada isnt as bad as britain yet but as far as rights in this rathole the law abiding have none, scummy perps, all of them.
Being on the other side of this rathole I have to disagree on a few points,you would not be able to avoid prison, as your/my lives are not worth anything compared to the scum that are involved in these incidents, you would be civilly chargeable for any hurt you caused the said perps.
With the help of Berlew and the CSSA you might and I say a great pause with that might, get your license and guns back.
We have no basic right to self defense if there is any wayout of a situation, turn and run, probably getting shot in the back, also our ridiculous storage laws, the ability of police to gain entry with a no knock warrent your life can and will be made hell if a dox call, a false firearm report or merely a medical emergency that allows police into your house and then nose around when everyone is busy.
Kanada isnt as bad as britain yet but as far as rights in this rathole the law abiding have none, scummy perps, all of them.
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