Unfired 5906 - $$$?

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My local gun club used nine (9) 5906's in the CCW class for a few years and will be offering them for sale on a first-come, first-served basis Saturday morning. They have been handled by a hundred people (or more) but never fired.
I do not know, and they aren't saying how much they will be asking for these pistols until the day of the sale.
I ask you experts - how much is too much? I'll be in the parking lot at 9:30 in order to be first in line and don't want my eagerness to override my budget.
Thanks, ~ Alan
 
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Well, as soon as you shoot it, it becomes a used gun. I would say anything under $500 would be a fair price. I always prefer to have the original box and paperwork to go along with any gun I buy, it always help with the resale value.
 
S & W 5906

Bought one from CDNN Investments for $350 in my hands including dealer commission. Don't know if CDNN has any left.

Used police gun in excellent condition. These things are all stainless steel and on the heavy side, but I wanted a gun to shoot 9mm +p and +p+ ammo. The 5906 is that gun, and it is not a plasto-matic.


If the ones they are selling are new guns then $500 is not out of line. They don't make guns like this any more. Colt and Browning still make steel hand guns but they are all around $1000. What else can you do with $500???
 
I just bought one LNIB for about $375 but that was a great deal. It had maybe 100 rounds fired through it.

I had one just like it for years that I probably put 2000 rounds through that I sold for $500 about 5 years ago.

I agree with one of the above posters- anything under $500 is a very good deal - especially if it has really never been fired or mishandled.

You can look up prices of ones that have sold on GunBroker and other web sites and also sometimes in the classifieds on this site. Sometimes you see NIB 5906's listed at $600+ but they don't seem to move quickly.

If you can get one for $400 or under you should buy it as quickly as possible.

Even at $500 or so, this is a great amount of gun for the money, and as someone said above, you will not find any new production guns on the market that compare at all unless you spend considerably more.
 
i always felt one of the beauties of the 5906 ,when it was designed / produced with the FBI bid criteria in mind was that it was meant to be a 100,000 round pistol. that is to say ,have a 100,000 round life expectancy ,with no major parts replacement necessary ,only minor ones. this would correspond to the thought of an agents 20 year career ,and training by shooting an average of 5,000 rounds a year. it is a hell of working pistol ,i must say.
 
Fellas, you need to revise your value estimates on the 5906. I just bought one from CDNN for $299.99. (About a year ago, they were selling them for $30 more.) It's on the first page of their catalog, bottom right, which you can download from their website. CDNN Sports, Inc. They only have about 1,600 left, the salesman told me! :D It came with one S&W mag and some expendable plastic box, but the gun is in as close to NIB condition as you can get. Their description understates condition. I'm thinking of buying another one, because it is such a good deal; all stainless, Novak fixed rear and matching Novak front sight, with new Hogue rubber grips...which feel great but are ugly.

I've just finished installing a new LPA adjustable rear sight, matched specifically to this gun and the Novak front. I've made and parkerized my own design hollow steel rear "frame" add-on, to give a nice 1911-style arched mainspring housing grip profile, and I've made African padauk wood grip panels, 1/8" thick. Drilling and tapping 4 grip mount holes in that S&W stainless frame was quite a major job, nearly impossible. But it's done. My rear frame piece is held on only by the existing push pin, and is rock solid. Will post pics, when I have the Formby's tung oil finish built up a bit more and cured the way I want it.

But guys, please buy a few of these $300 5906s, or you will be forever sorry you didn't. It's a heavy, solid, all steel, jam proof, accurate, wonderful gun. You would not believe how the arched rear of the grip frame changes the appearance and feel. Thin wood grips and my rear grip piece make it easier to hold, with my short fingers. It's the way Smith should have done it in the first place, at least to my taste. It looks like a heavy 39 and feels just plain neat.

Remember the 11th Commandment: "Buy more Smiths."
 
Another question- what was the last year of production of the 5906?
 
Yea, I'm kind of with PhilOhio on the pricing. I just bought a LE trade in 5906 (square trigger guard, adjustable rear sights) w/ one mag for $330. It's in very good shape.

If it has the original box and paperwork and it is in PRISTINE condition I *might* think about $500. Otherwise, I think you might be better served going the CDDN route as PhilOhio mentioned or searching the For Sale board here or your local gun stores.

These all stainless steel beasts have a LOOOOONG service life so a good used one will do the job and save you a bit of cash.

Another point of reference. I saw another 5906 in very good shape w/ dead Novak night sights at another gun shop for $350.

One other thought: from what I have read on this site, the triggers on these guns seem to smooth out after 500 rounds or so. So, a used gun may actually have a better trigger pull than a never before fired gun.
 
I'm with the cheaper numbers. I wouldn't pay over $375 for one and that would only be if it was LNIB. They are so cheap on the used market and you can't hardly wear one out, so restoring to almost new looking condition is a snap and there is very little risk of getting one with functional issues. Worst case you're out a $25 bead blast job at the local machine shop, a $18 pair of new grips from S&W, and maybe a new set of springs which are something like $1.75 a piece from S&W. Go cheap, go ugly, and save some money to spend on extra mags, holsters, ammo, or upgraded sights.
 
Fellas, you need to revise your value estimates on the 5906. I just bought one from CDNN for $299.99. (About a year ago, they were selling them for $30 more.) It's on the first page of their catalog, bottom right, which you can download from their website. CDNN Sports, Inc. They only have about 1,600 left, the salesman told me! :D It came with one S&W mag and some expendable plastic box, but the gun is in as close to NIB condition as you can get. Their description understates condition. I'm thinking of buying another one, because it is such a good deal; all stainless, Novak fixed rear and matching Novak front sight, with new Hogue rubber grips...which feel great but are ugly.

I've just finished installing a new LPA adjustable rear sight, matched specifically to this gun and the Novak front. I've made and parkerized my own design hollow steel rear "frame" add-on, to give a nice 1911-style arched mainspring housing grip profile, and I've made African padauk wood grip panels, 1/8" thick. Drilling and tapping 4 grip mount holes in that S&W stainless frame was quite a major job, nearly impossible. But it's done. My rear frame piece is held on only by the existing push pin, and is rock solid. Will post pics, when I have the Formby's tung oil finish built up a bit more and cured the way I want it.

But guys, please buy a few of these $300 5906s, or you will be forever sorry you didn't. It's a heavy, solid, all steel, jam proof, accurate, wonderful gun. You would not believe how the arched rear of the grip frame changes the appearance and feel. Thin wood grips and my rear grip piece make it easier to hold, with my short fingers. It's the way Smith should have done it in the first place, at least to my taste. It looks like a heavy 39 and feels just plain neat.

Remember the 11th Commandment: "Buy more Smiths."

Are you gonna post some pics of your masterpiece or what? :)
 
Sure, I'll post pics shortly. It's no masterpiece, just another example of how I define fun...seeing what I can come up with...and each one teaches me how I could have done it a little bit better.

Meantime, five minutes ago I ordered another one from CDNN. Including Fedex shipping from Texas to Ohio, it was under $318. I now have all I need, two. Maybe. ;) So order away, guys.

I love all-steel guns, especially stainless. (But this stainless used by Smith is so tough and indestructable it is hard to work with.) I don't like plastic, or aluminum, or scandium, or lawyer locks, or silly warnings stamped all over a gun. The 5906 is none of that. But there were the rubber grips. That was fixable.

Order, order, order. These $300 classics are way undervalued on the market right now, in my opinion, and like most other good things, I don't imagine that will last indefinitely.

Why are they undervalued? Lighter weight guns with cheap and easily damaged alloy frames are trendy and inexpensive. The manufacturer has a higher profit margin, so they are aggressively promoted. Heavier steel frames, like the 5906, are not in vogue at the moment, and it costs more to produce them.

And I think all that is just wonderful.
 
O.K., here are a couple pics of the almost finished project; need a few more coats of tung oil, to fill the grain. I've had a piece of interesting red African padauk wood for about 20 years. I jigsaw cut two panels and, on a Chinese benchtop mill, thinned them about as far as I thought I dared go, 1/8".

I think they would be even nicer, if I had rounded the rear part to follow the mainspring cover, as S&W has done on the 952...which may be a pending purchase.

I really like the overall effect of the way this came out, because the proportions seem just about right. The 5906 has a fairly short barrel, and the 39-style trigger guard complements my rounded steel spring housing.

That housing, or cover, is the real story. It is hollow and internally welded from six pieces. It could be an investment casting, or aluminum. I bent the back strap from 1/16" mild steel strap, and the two side plates are .115" thick. In the base, I replaced Smith's cheesey plastic piece with one I milled and drilled from the remains of an old hitch from my restored 1941 John Deere "B" tractor. (Try drilling that stuff sometime.)

I use manganese dioxide for parkerizing, to get a nice black color...pretty simple stove-top, non-toxic process which gives a durable finish in about 20 minutes.

Only after I had this finished did I find out that what Smith makes for the back grip piece on the 952 is almost the same. I wish I had the tools and talent to put a diamond pattern on mine, too.

Smith's finger rest mag bottom plate sort of adds to the nice profile, I guess, but a flat plate is more compact. And I have a mag which does that. I found that most Beretta 92 mags are cheap, go right in, and work fine, after a small follower modification, minor bending of the left feed lip, and the Dremel cutting of a new mag release notch.

I wasn't sure how to build this so the new piece would be solid, especially under recoil. But I lucked out. If you fit it carefully, the base beds closely in an existing groove in the 5906 frame, and the top part is easily matched to the cut below the beavertail. Drill the hole in the base for the pin at the right place, and there is no movement of any kind; notice the way the pivot point of the pin prevents rearward movement at the top. That pin works exactly like in a 1911 pistol and looks the same. The mainspring holds it in place and it can be removed in 30 seconds. Nothing else holds my cover on, and it requires no additional modification of the 5906 frame.

Well, except for just one itty bitty nightmare job, which I was not expecting to be a hassle at all. :D See next picture.

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And here it is with the grip panel removed. The lowest hole in the grip frame is not a mistake, but one used by S&W in the manufacturing process, I think. The other two were drilled and tapped 10-32 by me, but what a nightmare! That steel is less than 1/8" thick, but tough beyond belief. If you don't do everything exactly right, it will destroy your tools and harden, stopping your project dead in its tracks. But with the right technique, it can be done. If you don't know how, mark the spots and take it to somebody who knows. My holes are drilled through, so both sides are placed the same.

This stainless steel is so tough, and thick enough, that there is no need for grip screw bushings, as on a 1911. Tapping 10-32, I have about four full female threads, which is more than sufficient with such rugged steel.

Carefully match and drill your slightly oversize wood panel blanks, using your new frame holes as the jig, and then trim them and round the edges. For mounting, I bought Ace Hardware 10-32 stainless button head, hex type, screws and shortened them. You need a big bearing surface on the wood for the underside of the screw heads, because the trimmed length of the threaded part has to remain constant, so that tightening of the screw, trimmed to final length, will not interfere with the magazine. And because the grip has to be kept thin, so your hand can get around it, you have to be really careful about countersinking the holes in the grip panels, if you want the screw heads to be flush (which is not really necessary, I guess). .050" is the right depth, and I used an end mill, centered to the holes.

The Novak 3-dot fixed combat sight that comes on these ex-police CDNN guns is just fine, but I insist on an adjustable sight on a pistol accurate enough to warrant it, and this minty 5906 is that. This sight cost me about $76 delivered fast, from LPA's U.S. distributor in CT; they have a website.

You can choose three dot, white outline, or plain black for the same price. I've put a number of these sights on various handguns I build up, and I love 'em.

The only thing wrong with this gun was that the paint had come out of the red dot below the safety lever. A couple of minutes, a toothpick, and some red nail polish fixed that.

Oh yes, that nick in the lower front of my new piece is a minor welding defect I didn't feel like piddling with, since the grip covers it; I changed my mind about two unnecessary holes I had drilled, and I filled them with weld. Well, almost.

Am I satisfied with what I bought? Guess so. The second one I ordered this morning should arrive right after Memorial Day.:eek:
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Outstanding work! Thanks you very much for taking the time to photograph and share this interesting modification with all of us. Please tell us more about the Beretta 92 mag mod which allows you to use them with the 5906. I have a load of Beretta mags and I'm a cheapskate/DIY guy at heart. For range use only, of course. :D
 
Outstanding work! Thanks you very much for taking the time to photograph and share this interesting modification with all of us. Please tell us more about the Beretta 92 mag mod which allows you to use them with the 5906. I have a load of Beretta mags and I'm a cheapskate/DIY guy at heart. For range use only, of course. :D

Ditto!!! Very cool. 92fs mag mod - tell us more please.
 
"Please tell us more about the Beretta 92 mag mod which allows you to use them with the 5906."

O.K. Some Beretta 92 mags slide in the S&W mag well easily, just like the stock magazine. Some won't go at all, and some are just slightly snug...because there is variation in the aftermarket mags. Most Beretta mags go right in, but the locking notch is too low, fortunately. If you do this right, the modified mag will work in either gun. I.e., you don't have to tamper with the old locking notch to make the new one, and the modified follower and mag body don't interfere with the functioning of the Beretta pistol.

I don't know why somebody doesn't just make mags that work in both guns, and perhaps a few others also. I think the Taurus version of the Beretta 92 would be included.

Use either a snug mag or one that goes in slightly snugly. Don't waste time hassling with a tight one.

Remove the grips from your 5906. To remove the mag release, for marking the new locking notch in the mag, use a ballpoint pen or something similar to depress the small spring loaded button just below the mag release button, and while holding this down, unscrew the button counterclockwise. Don't let the parts pop out or you may lose something.

The release button and the spring loaded parts come out the left and the mag lock piece drops out the right. Set them aside.

First time you insert the Beretta mag in the 5906, with the slide closed, it probably won't go all the way in because a very small part of the mag body on the top left will probably push against the slide lock under surface. (Compare the Beretta mag to a 5906 mag, to see what I am talking about.) Use a Dremel cutoff wheel or such to remove just enough metal so you can insert the mag without this body area touching the slide lock. The follower itself will probably not yet touch the slide lock, although we want it to, but it might touch slightly.

With the above minor job done and the slide now locked open manually, insert the Beretta magazine again and see where the rear of the left cartridge feed lip is, with regard to the ejector. If it is to the left, it could jam it and the gun. If necessary, use a needle nose pliers to very slightly bend this part of the lip, so it is under the ejector or ever so slightly to the right. Compare how the Smith mag lip is positioned. Don't bend the lip so radically as to interfere with cartridge positioning...just enough to clear the ejector. It will only be a few thousandths.

When you have this adjusted, remove the mag and close the slide. Reinsert the mag and hold it in the up, seated position, but not with any great force. While holding it there, use a metal scriber to carefully scribe parallel lines on the magazine body along the top and bottom of the mag release cut in the frame. You are marking your new locking notch position, which will be about 1/4" above the one for the Beretta.

Use a combination of Dremel tools...cutoff wheel, small carbide cutters, maybe some diamond shapes...to open this notch, to be just like the existing one, only higher. This opening must be absolutely true and flush with the frame cut, and your modified empty mag body will lock and release perfectly. Deburr your cut, so as not to interfere with spring and follower travel after reassembly.

The mag would now work and feed reliably if reassembled, but it won't yet hold the slide open after the last shot. The Beretta follower will not lift the S&W slide lock high enough yet, or maybe at all. There is a lot of variation among these followers.

So, go to work on the follower, but slowly and carefully. I used one of the Chinese carbide cutters, 1/2" diameter type, in my controllable speed Dremel tool to remove just enough nylon on the left and right sides to let the follower in the empty mag rise just high enough to lift the slide lock all the way into its notch in the slide. It's a trial and error job. A follower modified this way will only rise about 1/8" more than before, probably less than that. But take it a little at a time; trim and try, trim and try. SPECIAL NOTE: When doing this, try to remove as little as possible from the right side of the follower, to keep it bearing firmly toward the left, where the slide lock is.

When you've got it, you've got it. But why bother? Aftermarket and surplus 92 mags cost $10 - $12, half or less than the cost of Smith mags. And they are almost identical.

One thing which complicates this is the strange S&W magazine disconnector, which I have not fully fathomed. It would make Rube Goldburg smile in admiration. Some 92 mags may not let the trigger connect on single action, double, or maybe both. And it never seems to work right when you use just the stripped mag body to test; the thing has to be assembled to get a definitive answer. I haven't bothered to find out why just yet. But most modified 92 mags should work, if you have done the rest of the job correctly. It's no biggy.

This all sounds more complicated than it really is. But if you want a few extra mags, and also want to save a couple dollars, and have the time, it's a good way to go.

So go have some fun in the basement, like I did. As Chuck Schumer might say, "It keeps 'em off the streets." ;)
 
I found out they were opening early today so I was in the parking lot at 7:45. When the door opened at 8:00 I was first in line.

John: "Good to see you , Alan. What can I do for you?"

Me: "How much are the 5906's?"

John: "They're unfired 5906 TSW, come with the box, all the paperwork, the test casing, and an extra magazine. Manufactured in 2005. $279."

Me: :eek:

Me: "I'll take it."

John: " :D "

Me: " :D "
 
I found out they were opening early today so I was in the parking lot at 7:45. When the door opened at 8:00 I was first in line.

John: "Good to see you , Alan. What can I do for you?"

Me: "How much are the 5906's?"

John: "They're unfired 5906 TSW, come with the box, all the paperwork, the test casing, and an extra magazine. Manufactured in 2005. $279."

Me: :eek:

Me: "I'll take it."

John: " :D "

Me: " :D "

Whoa!!! Smoking deal alert!!! For a TSW version no less. You should go back there and buy as many as you can afford or they are willing to sell you!!! Congrats on a great deal IMHO!
 
Whoa!!! Smoking deal alert!!! For a TSW version no less. You should go back there and buy as many as you can afford or they are willing to sell you!!! Congrats on a great deal IMHO!

I thought of that. Limit one per customer. There were nine available at 8 AM. An hour later, there were 4.
I am indeed fortunate ...:cool:
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Outstanding, blujax01, except it looks like they gave you a 10-shot mag from the ban era. Still, the price was $20 less than what I paid, and without the $18 shipping. You got a give away. The savings makes it cost effective to buy a nice 15-shot mag.

While waiting for my second 5906, inbound from CDNN, I'm building a second set of custom walnut grips for it which are less labor intensive. They require no handmade steel back strap, no drilling of that impossible stainless steel frame, and mount much like the Hogue and original S&W grips, but stronger and with a conventional through-the-grips escutcheon screw at the rear. I'll post pics when finished...if it works. ;)

I have to say that S&W, in designing this method of mounting grips on the 3rd generation semiauto frames, really made life difficult for us...only for the sake of cutting a few cents off manufacturing costs.

Somewhere on a S&W tooling shelf sit the injection molds for making a beautiful set of checkered Model 39-style synthetic grips, with medallion, for the 5906 and its family of frames. They used coloration which looks just like wood. I stumbled across pictures of these during an Internet search. They are in a thread somewhere on this site. I sure wish S&W would do a run of these and sell them as an accessory.

When the guns were made new, most were sold to law enforcement. Now, thousands have been released as surplus and sold to us. There should be quite a market for these very attractive, and better feeling/looking, grips, if sold at a reasonable price. They make the 5906 look and feel the way it should have originally, even if the wood is not real.
 
I thought of that. Limit one per customer. There were nine available at 8 AM. An hour later, there were 4.
I am indeed fortunate ...:cool:
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Wow, I am very jealous. Congrats, that is a great find at an insane price. Enjoy it.
 
blujax01,

Looks like I screwed up. Every gun at New Albany is high, so I thought they'd jack up the price on those 5906's as well. Obviously, they priced them to sell at a reasonable price. Your win, my loss. Congrats.
 
PhilOhio....I bookmarked the place that does the painting to grips...makes them look like wood.....I'm itching to give it a try....

Does one have to go right to S&W to buy replacement grips for the 5906??

Hydrographic Printing by Hydro Print Services


Midway has them for $18.79, they are on backorder right now. Smith & Wesson Factory Grips Curved S&W 5903TSW, 5906TSW, 5943TSW, 4003, 4004, 411, 5903, 5903SSV, 5904, 5906, 5943, 5943SSV, 5944, 5946, 5967, 910, 915, SUPER9 - MidwayUSA

I have also seen new ones on ebay from time to time.
 
Rayban, thanks. Looks like Craig 19 has the answer about the grips, if they are the same ones I have seen. I would like to see a picture of exactly what Midway is selling, before ordering.

But I don't need another pair right now. I just finished my second set of homemade grips this morning, and my second 5906 arrived from CDNN around noon; had it home, and new grips installed by 2 PM. Here's what it looks like. And the new one is also in like new condition, except that it was missing the pin for the hammer strut spring base...I made one on the lathe.

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The goal was to have grips as thin as possible, and they are, at a bare 1/8" each side. And where the web of my hand goes, there is minimal wood, but enough to be strong. It is locally sawn black walnut from northwest Ohio. I get scraps for nothing, from the nearby mill.

Each half is laminated from three thicknesses, held together with Five-Minute Epoxy (wonderful, strong stuff) and then Dremel drum sanded to final fit. On each one, there is an oak insert, just thick enough to go into the frame cuts to position them solidly. I used cereal box cardboard pieces to get each lamination shaped just the way I wanted before jigsawing them (more Harbor Freight tooling ;)). There is minimal clearance for the internal parts, but they all have plenty of clearance. So it is possible to get it this compact, if you want to try.

On the inside of each grip, inlayed into the thin oak piece and roughed/epoxied in place, is a thin piece of metal plate which goes into a machined cut in the frame to hold the front of the grips in place flush, like the Hogue grips, which do it with a plastic tab. At the rear, I made the grips so I could use one of my escutcheon brass and steel sets, which I buy from Numrich's in packages of (a dozen?) at a time. They're wonderful and cheap.

These grips fit my small hand about as nicely as can be done, given how fat the gun is anyway. But it feels fine.

This gun is different from the first one in that the trigger and hammer are blued steel, and the mag has no finger rest, which is fine with me. I guess the gun is a slightly different dash version of the 5906. But I love it, like the first one. It looks and feels just right to me, although I would prefer more contour than flatness, if the double-stack gun were not so fat already. I have short fingers, so it has to be as flat as I could humanly make it.

Whaddya think, guys? Does the flatness look too freaky, or is it tolerable, esthetically speaking? If it were checkered, I would be almost through the wood.
 
I found out they were opening early today so I was in the parking lot at 7:45. When the door opened at 8:00 I was first in line.

John: "Good to see you , Alan. What can I do for you?"

Me: "How much are the 5906's?"

John: "They're unfired 5906 TSW, come with the box, all the paperwork, the test casing, and an extra magazine. Manufactured in 2005. $279."

Me: :eek:

Me: "I'll take it."

John: " :D "

Me: " :D "

Let's clarify - there is no such thing as an "unfired" S&W. They are all test fired at the factory. S&W does not record "manufacture" dates or "birth" dates. Their records system lists the serial numbers by the date that the gun was shipped from the factory to the wholesaler or distributor. With that said, you did great. Congratulations on your acquisition.
 
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