The NC General Assembly passed General Statute 14‑415.26. "Certification of qualified retired law enforcement officers" in 2007. The statute requires Training and Standards to adopt a certification process for retired officers to comply with HR 218. Unfortunately our Attorney General and his staff have failed to comply with the law and I am told they have no intent of compliance.
***UPDATE***June 2011***H.R 218 LEOSA... How's that working out for fellow retirees?
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The NC General Assembly passed General Statute 14‑415.26. "Certification of qualified retired law enforcement officers" in 2007. The statute requires Training and Standards to adopt a certification process for retired officers to comply with HR 218. Unfortunately our Attorney General and his staff have failed to comply with the law and I am told they have no intent of compliance.
Pioneer461
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I've been retired since 2001, a former HR-218 activist and have qualified annually since 2005 when our state (Oregon) legislature adopted the HR 218 language and set standards through our state certification board. I take great pleasure in carrying in California frequently. 
In places such as NJ, NYC, etc., it's going to take someone getting arrested and taking their case to court in order to change their policies. So far as I know, there have been 3 state court rulings upholding HR 218, one in S. Dakota and two, oddly enough in New York State.
New York City and New Jersey are quite simply anti gun, and buy into everything put out by the Brady Bunch.
In places such as NJ, NYC, etc., it's going to take someone getting arrested and taking their case to court in order to change their policies. So far as I know, there have been 3 state court rulings upholding HR 218, one in S. Dakota and two, oddly enough in New York State.
New York City and New Jersey are quite simply anti gun, and buy into everything put out by the Brady Bunch.
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Maryland has just made it more difficult to obtain a LEOSA!
We now have a NINE page app!
http://www.mdsp.org/downloads/LEOSA_APPLICATION.doc
Retired in Louisiana moved to Texas
I retired from a local agency in Louisiana and moved to Texas in 1998. Last year I researched concealed carry and found LEOSA, Public Law 108-277. It is codified as 18 U.S. Code 926B (qualified law enforcement officers) and 926C (qualified retired law enforcement officers).
Texas is very accommodating. They have a process with forms in place to show proper weapons qualification. If the retiree desires upon successful weapons qualification, he can complete an official Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officers Standards and Education form and mail it in with a $25 fee. A qualification card with photo is issued and good for one year from date of qualification. Renewal is the same cost and process.
However, it is not necessary to get the card. A signed notarized affidavit that is part of the form mentioned above will suffice since 18 U.S. Code 926B and 18 U.S. Code 926C does not specify such a ID card as a necessity, just proof of weapons qualification.
This is for all retired local, state, and federal officers.
The Word docment form can be found under "Retired Federal Firearms Identification Card" in this URL, http://www.tcleose.state.tx.us/content/publications.cfm . Although it states Retired "Federal Firearms..." it is for "Retired Federal or Out-of-State Officer Firearms Certificate"
I retired from a local agency in Louisiana and moved to Texas in 1998. Last year I researched concealed carry and found LEOSA, Public Law 108-277. It is codified as 18 U.S. Code 926B (qualified law enforcement officers) and 926C (qualified retired law enforcement officers).
Texas is very accommodating. They have a process with forms in place to show proper weapons qualification. If the retiree desires upon successful weapons qualification, he can complete an official Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officers Standards and Education form and mail it in with a $25 fee. A qualification card with photo is issued and good for one year from date of qualification. Renewal is the same cost and process.
However, it is not necessary to get the card. A signed notarized affidavit that is part of the form mentioned above will suffice since 18 U.S. Code 926B and 18 U.S. Code 926C does not specify such a ID card as a necessity, just proof of weapons qualification.
This is for all retired local, state, and federal officers.
The Word docment form can be found under "Retired Federal Firearms Identification Card" in this URL, http://www.tcleose.state.tx.us/content/publications.cfm . Although it states Retired "Federal Firearms..." it is for "Retired Federal or Out-of-State Officer Firearms Certificate"
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I just heard that from a fellow retiree. Cannot download the file you attached but will be checking as I will be requalifying soon. Thank you for the info.
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You're very welcome!
i am a separated leo from missouri i am trying to get my creds from my former dept. no luck. my former dept. does not have a written policy covering retired or separated officers. however an individual that does not meet leosa has his creds issued by the not current police chief does and requals every year but after 13 years of service i cant get mine. anybody with this problem or know of a solution. i should be covered under public law 111.272 dated oct 12,2010 signed by pres obaam. the state of missouri has adopted the law and hr-218. just my dept has not and the mo police chiefs have not either, the local f o p chapter pres is no help
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Do you have a retired ID card? Why not email or call your State Police to get info?
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LEOSA specifically says that any ammunition not Federally banned can be used. It does not say much about "high capacity." I qualify with a Sigma.. 16 rnd mag. I qualify at my Department in Florida and also under Texas TCLOSE. I use the Sigma. My Department card says semi auto. My FDLE papper work says Sigma 9VE SN xxxx... I carry that. I use it in Texas too. I do not want to be the first test case, but when I come to NYC, I am going to carry what I qualified with and that is the Sigma. This crazy local stuff needs to be challenged and I would suggest your police union file suit, sooner rather than later since it appears as if they are being denied due process and are being treat differently than other retired officers.
the retired id is what i am trying to get under leosa of 2010.but no luck with city manager or city atty office, they are in agreement with current policy. but there is not a policy, and never has been.
jt Commisioner Kelly is just evil. He won't even qualify retired cops for leosa. NJ had a similar stance where only active PO's could have hollow points. This was eliminated with the last LEOSA update.
Before I retired, there was no LEOSA. I did many car stops with out of State cops. I never asked them if they were carrying and I didnt want to know. (and never, ever wrote one) I assume the Cops still have that same attitude that I had. There is always that one freak of nature though. You do not have to inform a Cop you are carrying in NY. I would show your id card, because we dont write Cops.
Before I retired, there was no LEOSA. I did many car stops with out of State cops. I never asked them if they were carrying and I didnt want to know. (and never, ever wrote one) I assume the Cops still have that same attitude that I had. There is always that one freak of nature though. You do not have to inform a Cop you are carrying in NY. I would show your id card, because we dont write Cops.
Do you have a Police Department id card, not the leosa id card. With the Dept id card you can get qualified and then get what ever LEOSA id card the State offers. Sorry if I am misunderstanding you
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my dept will not issue any card unless you spent 20 years with them. i was there 13yrs. they do not follow leosa or current state laws for retired leo's i may not be explaining it clearly
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I am sorry I understand. On my job if you did not retire in good standing or if you were arrested after retirement, they will revoke the id card.
In your case they just didnt give you one because you didnt retire. I would try getting help from an FOP or similar organization. If not maybe a nice nuisance law suit against the town?
In your case they just didnt give you one because you didnt retire. I would try getting help from an FOP or similar organization. If not maybe a nice nuisance law suit against the town?
thanks i spoke with the local chapter fop but the pres is in agreement with dept ( he works for my former dept) the fop acts like they are not supporters of the leosa or state retirements. i am going to talk with the city alderman and mayor for support or at least find out how a policy can be followed by city manager and the police chief even when one does not exist . i contacted an atty but he wants 5,000 to start a suite
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I called for the hell of it to the LAPD (retired after 24 yrs) to see what's up for retirees... nothing. They're still "talking about it". The new Chief ain't a bad guy though, so maybe something will happen eventually. I live it TX now, so it's not an issue.
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Incredible, I didn't know LAPD was doing the same as NYPD. That low life Kelly started a "RMP" unit. It was supposed to be volunteer retired cops, who register so that they can be called upon in case of another WTC type of incident. Idiots signed up for it, at their first meeting he said he wouldnt qualify retirees under LEOSA.
Since 9/11 40 cops have died from WTC illnesses. They basically only get it once they are autopsied and they find concrete proof of wtc illness.
Since 9/11 40 cops have died from WTC illnesses. They basically only get it once they are autopsied and they find concrete proof of wtc illness.
EdnAZ
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I have no idea what your state laws are but there is nothing in 18 USC 926C that requires any law enforcement agency to issue "retired" identification cards or qualify retired officers.
I'm not saying that it isn't the right thing to do but your former department has no immediately identifiable legal obligation.
Good Luck
I retired from a city police dept. 9 years ago, after 27 yrs. of service, but am (and have been a police officer with a state university since retiring). I qualify every year from my former dept., and they issue us an ID card with photo, and it states retired police officer, along with the notation that I quailifed per their standards, and meet the requirements of HR 218 (LEOSA). I also have active police ID from the state university p.d. I currently work for. That being said, as of this date, 04/26/12, the LEOSA act of 2004 , as amended in 2010, allows active & retired officers to carry a handgun withour limiting the capacity of ammunition in a pistol , and an officer CAN carry hollowpoint bullets anywhere in the country ( including NJ) at this time. The ONLY weapons not allowed are those restricted under the NFA (National FIrearms Act 1935), meaning fully automatic weapons, or 'sawed-off' shotguns. The language in the LEOSA is clear, and although their are always going to be police officers and prosecutors who are unclear on the law, we are covered from prosecution, as long as you abide by LEOSA wording. I have, and I would advise, both active and retired LEO's who do carry, to obtain personal liability insurance, just in case you ever use your weapon in a state other than your home state. My dept. is responsible for my coverage here in Indiana, but once I go out of state I'm 'on my own' as far as any type of civil litigation. Thanks for letting me ramble on and on. By the way, in my 36 years as a sworn LEO, even prior to LEOSA, I and my fellow officers NEVER arrested another LEO from ANY jurisdiction, who was carrying and NOT acting like a complete idiot!! Even then, we would remove their firearm, until they sobered up, or started acting like a professional LEO, and then would return it to them, without jamming them up!!
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