UPDATE: Negligent Discharge at the deer camp

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I've been going to deer camp every year with my dad since I was a little tike and I don't ever recall a ND until this weekend. Firearms safety was never something to be winked at or ignored and if someone was careless or apathetic with regards to safety they were immediately called out. That is the culture that has been passed down to at least four generations that goes back to my grandfather to my father to me and on to my sons and it's the same with the others who have been hunting with this group for decades.

This weekend one of my dad's buddies, Mr. John, who has been hunting with the clan probably since before I was born, experienced an embarrassing ND while loading his .30-30 lever gun. Other than a rifle going off when it shouldn't no one was exposed to the hazard since the rifle was pointed down and away from any bystanders. Unfortunately, he was standing next to the driver's seat of his Chevy pickup with the door open and the muzzle was pointed at the lower part of the driver's door. My oldest son was off loading a 4-wheeler from the trailer behind the truck, and I was standing on the other side of the truck with the passenger door open and ripping open a pocket warmer packet. I could see him through my peripheral vision when I heard the rifle go off.

I looked up at him as he just stood there and after a few seconds I calmly asked him, "are you all right?"

"Yeah," was all he could say.

"Is the gun safe?" I asked him.

"I think it is now."

My son came running around to my side of the truck at this time but I held my hand up for him to stop.

I looked back over at Mr. John and, again in a calm voice, said, "why don't you lay in down and I'll come around and look at it."

"Okay," and he laid it down. "Looks like I just blew a hole in my door though."

"Yeah, that sucks, but ain't no one hurt," I replied.

My son and I then walked around the back of the truck and over to the driver's side. Yep, there was a hole on the inside of the door that went through the little storage compartment in the door. I saw a holstered S&W snub .38 in the compartment along with a pair of gloves. I looked around the door to the outside and saw an exit hole about the size of a quarter. I turned back to Mr. John and asked if he was sure he was okay.

"Yeah, dad-gummit, just embarrassed as all get out. I've never had that happen in all my 76 years."

I reached in the door compartment and pulled out the holstered revolver and saw a hole through the holster. When I unsnapped it and tried to pull the snubbie out it didn't budge. I had to pull pretty hard and when it broke free I grimaced when I saw the rifle bullet had hit the snubbie, ruining it.

I held it up to show them and said, "looks like you got a two-fer with that shot. The snubbie is ruined."

I put the snubbie back in it's holster and laid it on the seat, and looked down at the rifle. At first glance I thought it was a Marlin 336, obviously an older one but well maintained, but then noticed it had a short magazine and was not quite like the pair of Marlin 336's I own. I kneeled down and looked at the rifle before I picked it up.

"So, Mr. John, what do you think happened?" I asked.

"I'd just put three rounds in the magazine like I always do and was working the lever to chamber a round. When I pulled the lever back up it went off . . . and my finger was not on the trigger."

"Okay," I said, "let's take a look."

I picked up the rifle, worked the lever down and ejected the spent cartridge, placed my thumb on the hammer, and worked the lever up and the next round chambered successfully. I eased the hammer down, twisted the rifle around so I could get a good look at it. I noted then it was a Glenfield Model 30. I worked the lever in quick succession until the rifle was empty and then gave it the once over again. He had a wrap around sling on it that kind of got in my way when I was working the action.

"Mr. John, what's the story with this sling?" I asked him.

"Well, I never really wanted to put a permanent sling on it so a leather guy I knew about 30 years ago made this one for me so I could carry it when I was on my 4-wheeler."

I fiddled with the sling and it was pretty flimsy and sliding all around the stock comb and got in the way of the lever when I worked it.

"Mr. John, I think this flimsy sling got in your trigger guard when you worked the lever. My advice would be to take this thing off and either don't use a sling or let me install some sling mounts for you and let's do it right."

He reached in his pocket and pulled out a Case folding knife, handed it to me and said, "then cut that think off so it can't be used again."

At that point I pulled out my iPhone and took pictures kind of like I would at a crime scene and I'm sharing some of the pictures below. Hopefully a lesson can be learned from this.

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Killed his Bodyguard, didn't he?

My opinion is that if you handle firearms long enough a ND is going to happen, and the muzzle must always be in a safe direction.

And I think you are spot about the sling activating the trigger.
 
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Sounds like the sling got under the lever and tripped the trigger. The good thing was no on was hurt. Sorry for the truck and the revolver.

Had a similar incident a few years ago at deer camp. A long-timer was loading his Remington 742 Carbine at O dark-30 and racked the slide. His son was on the other side of the truck getting ready to head out. When he racked the slide, the gun went off. The gun was 30+ years old and the trigger group had never been cleaned. He had it pointed at the ground, so no damage... except to underwear.
 
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Certainly could have been much worse. But wow, that Smith is a parts gun now. 30.30s are prone to NDs. We had one in elk camp back in '86. First year hunter dropped the hammer, smoking hole 4 ft. from my foot. He was on a short leash the rest of the trip. So glad no one was hurt in either case.
 
I wonder about the practice of chambering a round while everyone is standing around in camp, or before ping into a stand.I am always very careful with lever guns even though I like them.I also prefer bolt actions which can be ON SAFE while unloading or chambering a round. My only AD was with a borrowed Saco and I guess my finger got in the way while chambering. Thankfully In the woods, alone and killed the ground. Lesson learned.
 
I was in one deer camp with a bullet hole vertically through the ceiling and out the roof but not when I was there.

At a hotel, possibly a Quality Inn, just off NY's route 17 and in prime deer country, a deer hunter staying at the hotel put a round through a plate glass window at the end of the corridor. I missed that one also but the round was definitely fired from within and not a stray shot from somewhere outside.
 
That was a scary one for sure. Very glad all are safe. As for the model 38, man it looks like it would have screwed the barrel off if it hadn't been in the holster. Amazing power of a bullet.
 
I think a hammer and a piece of that sling will knock down those bumps. Some siding caulk that color will have it looking good as new.
Glad everyone is ok.

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That's an unfortunate piece of bad luck. The odds of hitting that revolver...
My Grandfather taught me to shoot at a very young age, and pounded safety into my head from the time I could work the lever on my Daisy. He never let up all through our time together.
That same man nearly took my foot off with a '97 Winchester by the trunk of his old Monte Carlo after a bunny hunt.
Point being- it happens. Better that door and snubbie than someones leg, or worse.
 
It's a shame it was a pre-lock body guard, my 25 year old Marlin 30/30 has the crossbolt safety which many people hate but it doesn't bother me like the lock on a newer Smith revolver. I always leave the cross bolt safety on while loading/unloading but click it off when the hammer's down and I'm in my hunting position.
 
It's a shame it was a pre-lock body guard, my 25 year old Marlin 30/30 has the crossbolt safety which many people hate but it doesn't bother me like the lock on a newer Smith revolver. I always leave the cross bolt safety on while loading/unloading but click it off when the hammer's down and I'm in my hunting position.

I hate a crossbolt safety on a lever gun and I installed a safety delete kit on my new Marlin 336Y to get rid of it. The Glenfield M30 in this situation is pre-safety by a couple of decades, but I have to concede that had a cross bolt safety been utilized in this instance it would in all likelihood have prevented the AD.
 
It is not a matter of if but when. That is why the number one safety rule is muzzle control! Above all else. It will happen but no one gets hurt.
Never ever let the muzzle point at anyone. When called on it people always say "but it's not loaded". Even gun store employees.
 
Not to "nit pick" and certainly glad that no one was injured or worse, but..


The rifle was NOT pointed in a safe direction, the barrel(muzzle) was "pointed" at something he did not wish to shoot or destroy. Sorry but its the facts.
 
I hear a lot of stories from East Texas deer hunters about the considerable quantities of whiskey consumed in deer camps, deer blinds, and other such areas. Even if I were interested in deer hunting, I think that would scare me off.
 
Good for you to keep calm throughout the incident, it sure helped things afterwards.

Ha, that comes from years on the LE range with new recruits, many who don't have a prior history with firearms.

I've worked with LE trainers who scream and holler and cuss at recruits when they make mistakes as part of their training style, and that may work for them but not really my style. I was working recently with a group of half a dozen new reserve officers and while on the 15 yard line I called for the shooters to draw their weapons and go to low ready. One of them drew his gun, went to low ready with his finger on the and squeezed off a round into the ground.

I looked over at him and in a firm but calm manner told him, "okay, now that you have test fired your firearm, put it back in the holster, slowly count to five and redraw it and go to low ready without your finger on the trigger."

He did as I instructed and then I told him, "now that you have demonstrated that you can go to low ready correctly my expectation is that you do it that way from now on, am I clear?" They call it training for a reason.



Not to "nit pick" and certainly glad that no one was injured or worse, but..


The rifle was NOT pointed in a safe direction, the barrel(muzzle) was "pointed" at something he did not wish to shoot or destroy. Sorry but its the facts.

At this point I think Mr. John would agree with you.


I hear a lot of stories from East Texas deer hunters about the considerable quantities of whiskey consumed in deer camps, deer blinds, and other such areas. Even if I were interested in deer hunting, I think that would scare me off.

I'm sure there are deer camps with that culture. I've never seen so much as a beer in the 30+ years I've been hunting in our camp.
 
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I own a rifle just like that; I drilled the stock for a sling swivel stud and slid a band around the magazine tube for the front swivel. If he would rather not drill his stock, he could try this method. My brother made this for his Remington 81 .300 Savage.
 

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You hear and read about the military in Vietnam late in the war. Poor morale mixed with drug use and everybody carrying an M16. Accidental discharges?
 
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