mc5aw
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The newscast reported that Mr. Road Rage followed the truck for 40 miles before confronting and assaulting the driver in the driveway. That makes his actions premeditated, not spontaneous. Game over.
*Updated 3/18/2016* How NOT to self-defend with a pistol
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semperfi71
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I'm thinking that if the first "puncher" (Senor Road Rage) cannot defend himself "a la fisticuffs" better than he did he shouldn't be going around and punching people.
brokenprism
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We had one of those in Colorado Springs; two guys racing each other between Denver and COS because somebody flipped the bird. Bird man got scared and careened off the highway at the first COS exit, and the pursuer, a black man in a pickup, had to drive across the grass and cactus to catch up to him. Confrontation ensues, 1991 barks, finger guy dead, black guy in prison.
In that same town, I once blew past an off duty cop on a little expressway. Impolite, I was. I had a 6" Model 57 on the seat, loaded and covered with a shirt. At the next stop light I noticed the 'guy' in plain clothes approaching my car. He was big! I let it play out. He slammed his badge against the rolled up window and chewed me out. Good thing he didn't see the .41, good thing I didn't overreact and have it in my hand when he approached, or I'd be a news item. It's scary out there. I wasn't worried about him because he had nothing in his hands. I was just going to take the verbal reaming because I deserved it.
In that same town, I once blew past an off duty cop on a little expressway. Impolite, I was. I had a 6" Model 57 on the seat, loaded and covered with a shirt. At the next stop light I noticed the 'guy' in plain clothes approaching my car. He was big! I let it play out. He slammed his badge against the rolled up window and chewed me out. Good thing he didn't see the .41, good thing I didn't overreact and have it in my hand when he approached, or I'd be a news item. It's scary out there. I wasn't worried about him because he had nothing in his hands. I was just going to take the verbal reaming because I deserved it.
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Frizzman
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When one makes decisions based on emotion and acts on those decisions, the result can be very bad. Most of us are capable of feeling extreme anger in such situations but if one cannot control one's actions then don't carry a weapon...period. Self-control is paramount if one choses to carry any sort of weapon or expects to avoid major problems in life.
Obviously, the older guy acted purely out of unchecked anger and reason went out the window. He was lucky that it didn't result in someone getting killed. I don't get into arguments with anybody, particularly not with "children". I don't engage in tit for tat driving behavior. One much keep in mind that that large and powerful machine can kill and operate it responsibly.
The details of this incident illustrate many poor decisions that are obvious to any rational person. It seems the older man's role in life has been to serve as an example to others of what not to do. He will pay for that. Those who believe most of us are too stupid to carry a concealed firearm will view this as support for their belief.
Obviously, the older guy acted purely out of unchecked anger and reason went out the window. He was lucky that it didn't result in someone getting killed. I don't get into arguments with anybody, particularly not with "children". I don't engage in tit for tat driving behavior. One much keep in mind that that large and powerful machine can kill and operate it responsibly.
The details of this incident illustrate many poor decisions that are obvious to any rational person. It seems the older man's role in life has been to serve as an example to others of what not to do. He will pay for that. Those who believe most of us are too stupid to carry a concealed firearm will view this as support for their belief.
Mini rant:
Part of my training was "responsibilities with rights". Every Right should be exercised with responsibility. Free speech - be educated on what I say, don't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre.
Keep and bear arms - be trained in the use and appropriate application of arms.
It's an interesting exercise.
Part of my training was "responsibilities with rights". Every Right should be exercised with responsibility. Free speech - be educated on what I say, don't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre.
Keep and bear arms - be trained in the use and appropriate application of arms.
It's an interesting exercise.
Larry from Bend
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Road rage happens. At a much younger age I once got into a fist fight over a similiar deal. However, I had a revolver in the truck and it stayed in the truck. Still, although I wasn't injured, it scared me thinking what could have happened (prison). Never again.
--- But in this case ----
The two kids fight like girls. Little girls. The wife should NOT have introduced the handgun. Her bad. He shouldn't have taken it from her, His bad.
--- But in this case ----
The two kids fight like girls. Little girls. The wife should NOT have introduced the handgun. Her bad. He shouldn't have taken it from her, His bad.
semperfi71
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Larry from Bend;137125961The two kids fight like girls. Little girls.[/QUOTE said:
My take on this after watching the Fox News Video -
Both sides are idiots, the guy w/ the gun's wife should have known better than to bring it out AFTER he got his butt kicked. He was out of danger and shouldn't have approached them with the gun.
Seriously though, did anyone listen to the interview? The kid says the guy in the SUV followed him for 40 minutes - that's a point the media plays up - then he says after the fight- " I saw him drive down the street to his house, and then he came back." And supposedly shot up their pickup while they (kids) were on the phone w/ the sheriff's office.
Makes it look a little different, doesn't it? They were neighbors.
Both sides are idiots, the guy w/ the gun's wife should have known better than to bring it out AFTER he got his butt kicked. He was out of danger and shouldn't have approached them with the gun.
Seriously though, did anyone listen to the interview? The kid says the guy in the SUV followed him for 40 minutes - that's a point the media plays up - then he says after the fight- " I saw him drive down the street to his house, and then he came back." And supposedly shot up their pickup while they (kids) were on the phone w/ the sheriff's office.
Makes it look a little different, doesn't it? They were neighbors.
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vigil617
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I don't think they were neighbors, but perhaps the guy and his wife were visiting or knew someone nearby. They were from a small town (La Grange, NC) about 75 miles northwest of Newport, and turned themselves in to local law enforcement there the next day, after videos of the incident were released to local TV stations in the general area in hopes someone could identify them.
slodraw
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Very interesting. It makes it easy to say people who carry guns are irresponsible. Wonder how hard it would be to stage something like that. JMHO. It sure gives an anti gunner a lot of ammunition.
Something I don't have a lot of lately.
Something I don't have a lot of lately.
slodraw
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BTW I didn't see the video just reading all the posts.
My thoughts
1) Mr. Turner should have blown it off. There are a lot of bad drivers out there old and young. Sheet happens!
2) As soon as Mr. Turner threw that first punch the younger driver had the right to protect himself by fighting back.
3) Once a third person became involved in the fight (2 on 1) the wife, if she has/d a license to carry was within her legal right to draw the weapon in order to stop the attack and to protect her husband from incurring physical harm/ possibly fatal injuries. I say this because I don't believe she could have protected her husband by putting herself into the fist fight (maybe she could, maybe she couldn't.)
4) Once the younger males backed off (in the video you can't see if the gun being produced or Mr. Turner going to the ground is the reason they stopped)
5) At this point, the fist fight finished, the gun should have been put away, Mr. Turner gotten back in his truck along with his wife and called police. At the same time one in the other vehicle should have called the police as well.
6) In my opinion there are definitely two people who need to be charged with assault by what we see on the video. Obviously Mr. Turner and then the second younger person who joined in the fight. As far as Mrs. Turner goes I'm not as sure, like I stated above you can't expect her to jump in and start throwing fists in order to protect her now outnumbered husband, but the whole handing a loaded gun to your all ready enraged husband is a horrible idea (pretty sure she wasn't thinking at all about what she was doing.) Not sure what she could be charged with in that situation though if he has a license to carry as well. He should have never taken it and at the point he did put himself in an even worse legal situation.
7) Final thoughts. From what the video shows and the additional news reports about Mr. Turner returning and firing bullets through the younger drivers truck I really hope two things, a) he doesn't have a license to carry and b) he gets sent to anger management!
1) Mr. Turner should have blown it off. There are a lot of bad drivers out there old and young. Sheet happens!
2) As soon as Mr. Turner threw that first punch the younger driver had the right to protect himself by fighting back.
3) Once a third person became involved in the fight (2 on 1) the wife, if she has/d a license to carry was within her legal right to draw the weapon in order to stop the attack and to protect her husband from incurring physical harm/ possibly fatal injuries. I say this because I don't believe she could have protected her husband by putting herself into the fist fight (maybe she could, maybe she couldn't.)
4) Once the younger males backed off (in the video you can't see if the gun being produced or Mr. Turner going to the ground is the reason they stopped)
5) At this point, the fist fight finished, the gun should have been put away, Mr. Turner gotten back in his truck along with his wife and called police. At the same time one in the other vehicle should have called the police as well.
6) In my opinion there are definitely two people who need to be charged with assault by what we see on the video. Obviously Mr. Turner and then the second younger person who joined in the fight. As far as Mrs. Turner goes I'm not as sure, like I stated above you can't expect her to jump in and start throwing fists in order to protect her now outnumbered husband, but the whole handing a loaded gun to your all ready enraged husband is a horrible idea (pretty sure she wasn't thinking at all about what she was doing.) Not sure what she could be charged with in that situation though if he has a license to carry as well. He should have never taken it and at the point he did put himself in an even worse legal situation.
7) Final thoughts. From what the video shows and the additional news reports about Mr. Turner returning and firing bullets through the younger drivers truck I really hope two things, a) he doesn't have a license to carry and b) he gets sent to anger management!
BuckeyeChuck
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What was the formal conviction? In reality, he was the proximate cause of another man's death.
My reaction upon reading this was "ONLY five years?" A man died due to anger, malice, revenge, negligence, and stupidity (not to mention incredibly bad gun-handling, to allow his adversary to just walk up and grab the gun) and he *only* got five years.
The judge was right. He stopped being a victim and became the armed assailant when he pulled out the gun.
I appreciate you telling this story, no matter how painful it is. It should remind those of us with concealed carry licenses that the front line of self-defense is *always* avoidance, no matter how outraged we may feel.
Yup, gives CC a bad name. IMO, his permit, if he has one, should be pulled...he has no control. Plus, why would you provoke two strapping lads knowing that you're fixin to get your hiney tore off bare handed? It could have been a lot worse. Thank God nobody was badly injured....
Triggernosis
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She doesn't need a "license to carry" in order to defend herself or her husband, at least in NC she doesn't. The only "license" in NC is a concealed carry license. You can drive around legally all day with a gun on the dash of your vehicle, or on your hip in a holster, as long as it's not concealed.
Regardless, that Turner guy was a real hotheaded dumbazz to follow the guys and begin throwing punches.
Silver Dollar
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The info points out that Turner followed the truck for 40 minutes. That's where this thing went seriously wrong. As far as I'm concerned, it someone cuts you off, there's no accident or damage, and the perpetrator drives away, the incident is over. It's the same as the rules for use of deadly force. Does the stupid driver have the ability to cause you harm? Yes. Does the stupid driver have the ability to do so? Yes. When the stupid driver drives away from you, is there intent to do you harm? No. If you follow or pull them over, you then become the threat.
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vigil617
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The wheels of justice turn slowly sometimes, but there finally is a resolution to the charges against the fellow in this incident.
NC man sentenced for road rage shooting that was caught on video | WNCN
Active time was suspended, but probation, fines, loss of gun privileges, etc.
Thought I owed you guys the update.
NC man sentenced for road rage shooting that was caught on video | WNCN
Active time was suspended, but probation, fines, loss of gun privileges, etc.
Thought I owed you guys the update.
Okie21
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Just read thru this entire thread. All I can say is this is a great learning tool for someone like me who is new to CCW. The only opinion I'll give is that everyone involved was stupid and they should all be thankful no one was killed.
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I didn't see this one before, but thanks for the update.
You didn't highlight that the woman got away with everything. She should have been convicted for pointing the gun at the victims and as accessory for handing the gun to him. Instead all charges were dropped.
What? If someone attacks your family/friend/coworker/etc. you have to stand there and watch? No, defense of another is morally and legally justified. Her actions were not defending her husband. They were assisting in his attack.
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