VA/ID Reciprocity . . Illinois . . . Arkansas . . . . CCRKBA . . . .NRA/ILA

[Gary Slider]

Virginia will now honor the Idaho Enhanced Permit. Idaho issues two types of permits. Regular and Enhanced. The Enhanced takes additional training. Idaho did this so they could get more Reciprocity. NV, SC, NM and now VA honor only the Idaho Enhanced. Idaho honors all other states permit/licenses.

Illinois – The Illinois State Police have published a listing of acceptable previous training they will accept towards the required 16 hours of training needed to get a carry permit. You can see that listing here: http://www.isp.state.il.us/firearms/ccw/CCWPriorTrainingCredit.pdf
To keep up with information about IL and carry info issued by the IL State Police this is the site to keep your eye on. Illinois State Police | Concealed Carry Information

I also received an email from a gentleman who sent me the reply from the Illinois State Police. He didn't want me to use any info that could identify him because of his position. He ask if Illinois Honored any other states permit/licenses. Here is the response concerning non residents traveling through Illinois:

"Out of state residents (who do not have a concealed carry license in their
state) traveling through Illinois with a firearm must transport it unloaded,
enclosed in a case, and not easily accessible to them in the vehicle. If
the individual has a concealed carry license in their state of residence,
they can transport the firearm loaded and anywhere in the vehicle. It must
remain in the vehicle and must be locked away if they exit the vehicle."

This is not the last word on how they will interrupt their law but it looks like it is turning out just as I feared. Illinois would require a permit/license from your home state before they would honor it while traveling through Illinois.

Arkansas – Things are still in flux in Arkansas on Open Carry being legal and state RKBA's Organizations are still saying that Arkansas is now a permitless carry state. There have been open carry marches with no arrests that I am aware of. Handgunlaw.us is still recommending you not open carry or carry without a valid permit/license until this is settled in the courts which I believe is what it will take.

CCRKBA – This National Group uses the chart from Handgunlaw.us to show what states honor other states. CCW Reciprocity Guide - Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms They copy it and put it on their site. I have contacted them via their online contact form, more than once, informing them that the chart they are using is an outdated copy (12/12/12) and that they need to update it. I have never received a reply from them. It not only has incorrect info that could get someone arrested but also makes it look like Handgunlaw.us is not up to date. Again I advise people to verify info they read on the web. It is you that will pay the price for relying on information you believe is correct but is out of date.

NRA/ILA – I have also contacted the NRA/ILA about the info they are putting out on who honors who on their State Laws Page. NRA-ILA | Gun Laws You have to scroll down on the above linked page and click on "U.S. Concealed Carry Reciprocity Map." There is no direct link to that information. They have missed adding at least 20 updates to who honors who in the last year. 5 of those updates are states that have dropped other states which they are still showing as honoring that state or the state doesn't honor all of that states permit/licenses that state issues. I have contacted the NRA/ILA and even a Regional Director sending them a list of changes that they missed with links to confirm but have not heard anything back from them. Again Handgunlaw.us advises you to verify what you read on the internet.

I don't want to sound like I am bad mouthing these Organizations. I am upset that National RKBA's Orgs are listing info that can get one of us Good Guy/Gals arrested and lose our right to carry. If you are going to supply info you should do everything you can to make sure it is as up to date as possible. Anyone can make an error but listing items and then forgetting about them for months and months is not an excuse. I do realize they have huge sites and it is difficult to keep it all updated but they owe it to their members to have the correct information. If I can find the information they should have no trouble finding it.

Handgunlaw.us will be updated late Thursday or early Friday to show the change in Virginia honoring Idaho along with other updates.

 

[ispcapt]

I also received an email from a gentleman who sent me the reply from the Illinois State Police. He didn't want me to use any info that could identify him because of his position. He ask if Illinois Honored any other states permit/licenses. Here is the response concerning non residents traveling through Illinois:

"Out of state residents (who do not have a concealed carry license in their
state) traveling through Illinois with a firearm must transport it unloaded,
enclosed in a case, and not easily accessible to them in the vehicle. If
the individual has a concealed carry license in their state of residence,they can transport the firearm loaded and anywhere in the vehicle. It must remain in the vehicle and must be locked away if they exit the vehicle."

This is not the last word on how they will interrupt their law but it looks like it is turning out just as I feared. Illinois would require a permit/license from your home state before they would honor it while traveling through Illinois.

1) The ISP does not 'interrupt' or interpret the law. That's the job of the IL Attorney General. The ISP only provides what is given by the AG.
2) Read IL's CCW statute. It's clear. It's neither an 'interrupt' nor interpretation by the ISP nor IL AG. "(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence;" Where do you live and can you legally CCW in your state of residence? While you may live in one state and be legal to CCW in another state by the other state's law, the question is if the person is legal to CCW in their state of residence. For example, your residence is in Washington DC and have a Utah CCW license. If you don't have a CCW in WDC, then see (2).
If you have a question then contact the IL Attorney General. They provide opinions on the law.

 

[Gary Slider]

The Administrative Rules will be written by the AG and the ISP on how the law will be applied. When those are finalized and accepted they become law! If the Administrative Rules state "State of Residence" that will be the law. Now if you are arrested and you wish to fight that the courts are set up to do that. Until a court rules different the Administrative Rules will be the law.

The AG doesn't have to answer any question a citizen ask him on the law. They will answer questions for Prosecuting Attorneys in IL and Members of the Legislature etc but not from private citizens. The State Police have set up a question line and that quote on "their state of residence" came from the Illinois State Police question line.

I do agree with you that if you can carry in your home state then you can vehicle carry in Illinois but again it depends on what they write in the Administrative Rules. If they write Resident permit from your home state that is what it is until a court says that is not what the law states.

 

[ispcapt]

The Administrative Rules will be written by the AG and the ISP on how the law will be applied. When those are finalized and accepted they become law! .

True to a point. The ISP and AG will prepare the proposed Ad Rule. Then the proposed Ad Rule will be submitted to JCAR (committee by the legislature) who will review and approve the Ad Rule. JCAR will ensure the Ad Rule is in line with the intent of their legislation. Ad Rules are not some arbitrary process where an agency can set up whatever they want.
Been there, done that. Very well familiar with the process.

The AG doesn't have to answer any question a citizen ask him on the law.

They will. Very rarely is the answer over the phone. And there's a reason for that. People will only hear what they want to hear, they will twist an answer to what they want it to be, they will want to argue because it's not the answer they want. People generally don't call wanting an accurate answer. They call wanting someone in authority to tell them it's OK to do whatever it is they want to do or agree with them. When they hear something different all they want to do is argue about it. The AG will also not do the research of a private attorney who can do the same research.

The State Police have set up a question line and that quote on "their state of residence" came from the Illinois State Police question line.

Where do you think the ISP got the interpretation? Answer: IL AG.
Been there done that too - many many times.

 

[Ransom]

...it looks like it is turning out just as I feared. Illinois would require a permit/license from your home state before they would honor it while traveling through Illinois.

That's not how I read it. The ISP Concealed Carry FAQ page includes this:

Are out-of-state Concealed Carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?

No. Out-of-state residents who want to carry a concealed firearm on their person must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out-of-state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state's concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.

Out of state residents are granted a limited exception to lawfully carry a concealed firearm within a vehicle if they are eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of their state or territory of residence and are not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law. This rule became effective immediately.

If the non-resident leaves his/her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection (b) of Section 65 of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.

There is no mention of what state issued the permit. Neither does the email Gary quoted mention what state issued the permit: "Out of state residents (who do not have a concealed carry license in their state)". It does not say "issued by their state".

 

[Launcher]

Pretty clear to me. "Interpretation is the law".

As far as a non-resident exemption to transport?
Pretty clear to me. "Interpretation is the law".


HOW DO I TRANSPORT A FIREARM
THROUGH AN ILLINOIS COMMUNITY WITH AN
ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS FIREARMS OR
HANDGUNS?
Illinois' Unlawful Use of Weapons law does not
preempt local ordinances from banning fi rearms.
Persons carrying or transporting fi rearms through
such communities could be subject to local firearm
ordinances. It is recommended that you contact local
authorities regarding their firearm ordinances.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/1-154.pdf