W296/H110 interchangeable?

[jkc]

Read recent references suggesting that these powders are interchangeable --- what's the story?

 

[Alk8944]

The "story" is that they are not interchangeable, they are identical, except for packaging. They are made by St Marks Powders in St Marks FL and are absolutely identical per one of their production engineers who I asked the question of several years ago.

 

[Dragon88]

Oh no, here we go again.

 

[mkk41]

Any data differences are due to differences in loading or test methods , equipment , other componants(primers/cases/bullets) or normal lot to lot variation.

 

[jkc]

Oh no, here we go again.

Nope, not necessary --- your comment prompted a search of this forum for previous discussions of this topic, and of course I found that this has been beaten to death, yet frequently resurrected, and I am now satisfied by a preponderance of the comments that these powders are indeed interchangeable, and because your post has prompted this conclusion, my attorneys have been instructed to include you among the named respondents to any action brought as a result of any damage or injury arising from any erroneous suggestions to which you may have been a party. Thank you.

 

[Sprefix]

Yup.........

Alk8944 nailed it. 'Nuff said...........

 

[jepp2]

If you go to the Hodgdon on-line Reloading Data Center and compare recommended loads for the two powder, you will find exactly the same data for both powders.

These aren't the only 2 powders that are identical.

Winchester 296 = Hodgdon H110

Winchester 231 = Hodgdon HP-38

Winchester 571 = Hodgdon HS-7

Winchester 540 = Hodgdon HS-6

I think there are others, but these are the ones I have on hand.

 

[Dragon88]

Nope, not necessary --- your comment prompted a search of this forum for previous discussions of this topic, and of course I found that this has been beaten to death, yet frequently resurrected, and I am now satisfied by a preponderance of the comments that these powders are indeed interchangeable, and because your post has prompted this conclusion, my attorneys have been instructed to include you among the named respondents to any action brought as a result of any damage or injury arising from any erroneous suggestions to which you may have been a party. Thank you.

If problems arise, your own stupidity in handloading is your own fault. Thank you and good luck.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

If you go to the Hodgdon on-line Reloading Data Center and compare recommended loads for the two powder, you will find exactly the same data for both powders.

These aren't the only 2 powders that are identical.

Winchester 296 = Hodgdon H110

Winchester 231 = Hodgdon HP-38

Winchester 571 = Hodgdon HS-7

Winchester 540 = Hodgdon HS-6

I think there are others, but these are the ones I have on hand.

W760 = H414
And one of the Winchester shotgun powders is the same as a Ramshot powder but keep forgetting which.

 

[Rule3]

 

[Skip Sackett]

Um, REALLY?

Nope, not necessary --- your comment prompted a search of this forum for previous discussions of this topic, and of course I found that this has been beaten to death, yet frequently resurrected, and I am now satisfied by a preponderance of the comments that these powders are indeed interchangeable, and because your post has prompted this conclusion, my attorneys have been instructed to include you among the named respondents to any action brought as a result of any damage or injury arising from any erroneous suggestions to which you may have been a party. Thank you.

Well, Let me be clear: Add my name too!

Are you serious that you are going to come on a gun forum, go to the reloading section, ask a question that has been asked over and over (a simple web search or forum search "the search function is your friend" applies here) and then threaten someone with possible legal action because of their answer? REALLY?

That ought to get you lots of help in the future, friend!

Listen, I will just use this defense:

I work for Hodgdon powder Co. We have Hodgdon powder, Winchester powder and IMR powder.

I can tell you, that H110 and W296 are exactly the same powder and they have always been exactly the same powder. Not similar, or like but exactly the same powder. It is produced, put into large drums and then repackaged into consumer units of both H110 and W296.

This should clear up the issue but if there are those who do not think I am telling the truth or want to discuss this further call 800-622-4366 ext 110 Monday - Wednesday next week and we can talk about it.

Mike Daly

Or this:

My name is Mike Daly. I am the Customer Service Manager for Hodgdon Powder Company. I was asked to come on here and difinitivly answer a question concerning H110 and Winchester 296.

I do not intend to debate with anyone. I do not have time to monitor this thread for activity or for follow up questions so I intend to be clear about my answer. If anyone wants to discuss this topic or any other, contact Hodgdon Powder Company at 800-622-4366,

Are H110 and W296 the same powder?

Yes, they are the same powder. They have always been the same powder. The only difference between H110 and 296 is the label. Even back when we had nothing to do with Winchester Propellants, H110 and 296 were the same powder. The powder is made in bulk in the only ball powder plant in North America. Some powder from the bulk lot goes into cans with H110 labels and some gets a Winchester label.

Why do you see data from the same company for both powder that do not match? Sometimes the data is completed days, moths or even years apart. If a different lot# of bullets, primers or brass is used, the data will be different. If a different person shoots the data, it will be different. if it is shot on a different day, the data will be different. It is unlikely that the can of 296 in a lab is the same lot# as the can of H110 allowing for some slight variation between lot#s.

OK, this should end this thread although I doubt it will. You have the number if you want to discuss it further.

Mike

MDaly

Doesn't make a lot of sense to threaten someone with legal action when the Customer Service Manager from the company that markets the powders has made these very public statements.

Just sayin'

 

[Skip Sackett]

DUH!

Yeah, as a suggestion, if you find yourself beating a dead horse, by all means, um, dismount!

 

[rewster]

Nope, not necessary --- your comment prompted a search of this forum for previous discussions of this topic, and of course I found that this has been beaten to death, yet frequently resurrected, and I am now satisfied by a preponderance of the comments that these powders are indeed interchangeable, and because your post has prompted this conclusion, my attorneys have been instructed to include you among the named respondents to any action brought as a result of any damage or injury arising from any erroneous suggestions to which you may have been a party. Thank you.

Did you leave off the smilys by mistake ?

 

[dickttx]

If you haven't read or heard it before it is new to you. Most people aren't born knowing all things.

 

[Rule3]

Hey Skip,

I do believe JKC's post was a joke.

 

[Skip Sackett]

Hey Skip,

I do believe JKC's post was a joke.

Hey, partner, he is a big boy, let him speak for himself. Neither of us needs someone running interference for us. If I misread that, and he was joking, then, hey, I am big enough to apologize. If it was a dig, well, really, if it is a joke, it is a poor one given our current sue happy society.

Thanks for your input, but..........we will wait to hear what he says for himself.

 

[Larry from Bend]

Yeah, but are you suuuuuuure they're the same?

 

[dla]

Read recent references suggesting that these powders are interchangeable --- what's the story?

Well after watching all these old codgers throw their dentures at each other, I thought I'd help you out: yes they are the same. Enjoy them both. For some reason I find H110 on the shelves easier than W296, so that's what I buy most.

 

[Rule3]

Hey, partner, he is a big boy, let him speak for himself. Neither of us needs someone running interference for us. If I misread that, and he was joking, then, hey, I am big enough to apologize. If it was a dig, well, really, if it is a joke, it is a poor one given our current sue happy society.

Thanks for your input, but..........we will wait to hear what he says for himself.

Easy now, I read it as sarcasm. No need to get all huffy.

 

[Skip Sackett]

Huffy? DUDE, if you think that is huffy! You ain't seen huffy YET!