Walther PPK in Skyfall... 007, Bond, James Bond

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I went to the movies with the guys in the family last night.. of course we saw James Bond's new movie Skyfall. I Loved it.
But.. Bond's Walther 380 (Actually correctly identified by Q as a 9mm short) had a bio-metric set of grips that allowed only him to be able to fire it. Of course that feature came in handy later..whas there ever a doubt?
What I want to know is when & where can I order mine fron S&W?:eek: :rolleyes:
 
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Bond has stepped up in caliber. In the books and the early movies, he had a PPK in 7.65mm (.32ACP). (After, "Dr. No", published in 1958. Prior to that, he used a Beretta M-318 .25 and a Colt DS)

I once asked the real Geoffrey Boothroyd (the Maj. Boothroyd in "Dr. No" was based on him) about the caliber issue, thinking that .380 might have an edge. He thought that neither was very different in real world results, and that with either, exact placement was crucial. I suspect that he was right, but 7.65mm case rims vary some with manufacturer and some feed better in Walthers than others.

I read an article by a German writer who revealed that in German police service, the PP and PPK failed to function on an average of once in 50 shots fired. That may have been almost as great an issue as needing more power when they transitioned to 9mm's in the 1970's, after terrorist activity saw a rise in the need to use handguns more often.

Boothroyd agreed with me that J-frame S&W .38's were much more reliable, but Fleming preferred small autos, probably because he was very concerned with concealibility.
He carried a Baby Browning .25 while a Royal Navy Intelliigence officer. He personally owned larger guns, and had Bond use a "long-barrelled Colt .45" that he kept in a hiding place in his car. He never said if it was a .45 auto or one like his own New Service revolver. He displayed the latter in an article about him in, "Life".

Ian Fleming is sometimes criticized for not being terribly gun-knowledgeable, which is why he conferred with Boothroyd, a gun writer and one of the best all-round authorities on fireams, ever. But Fleming was one of the very few authors who actually owned and shot handguns. He had carried one in harm's way. Compared to most writers, he did indeed know more than average. The only ones who seemed to know more were Donald Hamilton and Robt. B. Parker (in his later books.) I think Parker had a concealed carry license in Massachusetts.

Peter O'Donnell did very well with guns in his Modesty Blaise series, which I loved. But I think he may have just researched guns, not owning any. He was once a British Army intelligence NCO, so would have known the arms used in WW II and soon after. He got the idea for Blaise from a refugee girl he met in the Middle East. He certainly knew how to speed-fire an SMLE, which he had Modesty do on occasion. But he had her shoot one thug at just 20 yards with an S&W .41 Magnum, and seemed to think that was long range for a revolver! :eek: Maybe the publisher dropped a digit. He may have meant 200 yards.
 
But he had her shoot one thug at just 20 yards with an S&W .41 Magnum, and seemed to think that was long range for a revolver! :eek: Maybe the publisher dropped a digit. He may have meant 200 yards.

LOL, he probably did mean 20 yards. At my local range, I'm usually the only one with a target at 25 yards. Seems like the most popular distance is 7 yards and even at that range most targets look like somebody's patterning a cylinder-choked shotgun at 50 yards. ;)
 
LOL, he probably did mean 20 yards. At my local range, I'm usually the only one with a target at 25 yards. Seems like the most popular distance is 7 yards and even at that range most targets look like somebody's patterning a cylinder-choked shotgun at 50 yards. ;)


Chuck--

Boy, ain't that the truth! :rolleyes: I'm sometimes amazed at the groups that some post on boards like this one, too.

Most of these people never read or heard of Elmer Keith or Jeff Cooper or anyone else who wrote about long range handgunning. Even the old FBI Practical Pistol Course used to run to 50 yards. I understand that many police now don't practice beyond 15 yards!

But Modesty Blaise was supposed to be a really hot handgun shot. Used rifles, too, on occasion, including AR-15's and SMLE's. And she had a skeet or pigeon range on her estate at Benildon. She also lived most of the time in a London penthouse. But I think she practiced while there at her pal Willie Garvin's pub on the Thames, where he had a sound-proofed range and karate studio, etc. Modesty was also deadly with a kongo stick (yawara?) and her bare hands.

Search her on the Net, and you can see her in both the novels and the comic strip that ran in about 57 countries.
 
Bond is a pretty slick character, but he doesn't score many cool points for his choice of calibers. Just sayin'... :D

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Great idea until you get shot in your strong side and have to switch to the hand who's geometry isn't programmed to the gun.

CLICK....CLICK.....CLICK.....

If they ever come up with a feature like that, I'm sure they'll encode both hands!
 
If they ever come up with a feature like that, I'm sure they'll encode both hands!

The US federal government granted $2 million in 2006 to the New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) for the development of the first “Smart Gun” with Dynamic Grip Recognition technology: a gun with a biometric locking mechanism that will only work with one owner.

Some of my thoughts:

What if you are in a life-&-death struggle and the grip you normally use .....that works so well in a perfect SmartGun...suddenly makes you look different so the gun locks YOU out. Sweat, blood, etc could cause issues also.

The military and law enforcement has all said no thanks when this technology 1st started. I wonder how many LEOs have been killed with their own guns over the years? My life (and my family's) is just as important so if it isn't good enough for them then I don't want it either.

With all the stupid, lawsuit driven changes to many modern guns (loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect, built-in gun locks, etc)...adding another complex safety feature like the biometric sensor....could cause the gun to fail at the time you need it most.

Oh yeah....gloves are out.
 
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Peter O'Donnell did very well with guns in his Modesty Blaise series, which I loved. But I think he may have just researched guns, not owning any....
Another case of research, I read one of his books where the commentary on a pistol was taken directly from a G&A magazine of a year or so earlier.
Geoff
Who didn't have an internet to brag on the catch back then.
 
I do own the book of Boothroyd "The Handgun" I envy Texas Star that he spoke to this good man. I love his book.


Theur-

I didn't actually speak to him. We exchanged letters. I have one which he wrote on stationery from the movie set of, "Dr. No." I may auction it someday. Need to figure out what to hope for, pricewise.

I think, "The Handgun" is probably the best single work on its subject, although it covered guns only to about 1970. But I know of nothing else that takes the reader so well from the beginnings to that date.
 
Great idea until you get shot in your strong side and have to switch to the hand who's geometry isn't programmed to the gun.

CLICK....CLICK.....CLICK.....

more likely the problem would arise if you didn't have a "proper" grip on the gun.

ps. in the books, Bond's 25 got snagged in his holster and got him shot. That is why he was forced to switch. Scaramonga's "Golden Gun" was a pimped out 45 LC revolver. I'm pretty sure a peacemaker.
 
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I was trying to figure out what about gloves? Bond wears them a couple of times in this picture, and would have to ditch them to use the pistol.
Just sayin.
Also: I like Daniel Craig, but we REALLY need to talk about tossing nice guns around like that.
 
Another case of research, I read one of his books where the commentary on a pistol was taken directly from a G&A magazine of a year or so earlier.
Geoff
Who didn't have an internet to brag on the catch back then.


Did you pick up on the crazy priest in, "Dragon's Claw", who was a gunslinger, keeping a supply of that magazine hidden under his bed as a youth? That tipped me off that O'Donnell was probably doing most of his research in that title. But I learned a lot that way, too, so can't really fault him, although I think he should have shot more, too.

It is telling that he thought that the man had to conceal the magazines. But perhaps the guy's mother was virulently anti-gun, and firearms were not a tolerated interest.
 
more likely the problem would arise if you didn't have a "proper" grip on the gun.

ps. in the books, Bond's 25 got snagged in his holster and got him shot. That is why he was forced to switch. Scaramonga's "Golden Gun" was a pimped out 45 LC revolver. I'm pretty sure a peacemaker.

Yeah, he had gold-plated Colt SAA's, used at one time in a circus act. But the guy was named Scaramanga, not Scaramonga. I first read it in an excerpt in, "Playboy", about the time the book appeared. Needless to say, I headed for the bookstore soon after. The "Playboy" art was of the wounded Scaramanga eating a snake about the time that Bond found him, I think. The magazine excerpted several of the Bond books.
 
This thread needs pictures. PPK's are not hard to find, but the proper Beretta on the other hand....

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My understanding was that Bond's gun was in fact a 418, which is what my gun pictured above is. My info from:

The Handguns of Ian Fleming’s James Bond

On the otherhand, I never spoke to Mr. Boothroyd.

What a superb photo! Thanks! I based my 318 comment on Bond having told M that he'd used the Beretta .25 for 15 years, and this was in 1958. I think the 418 was introduced about 1949, if I recall correctly from J.B. Wood's Beretta book. We discussed this on the Beretta forum, and concluded that it had to be a 318. But the guns are very similar. Later 418's had a different grip safety.

As I noted in my post to Theur, I didn't speak to Boothroyd; we exchanged letters. I regret never having met him. But I have been fortunate to meet in person many other gun writers. Mostly, they were nice guys, and some were pretty funny, too. A few were stuck-up peacocks, and I think one really enjoyed killing people and animals. He was cordial to me, though.

One that I wanted to meet and never did was Jack O'Connor. But I've kept some of his letters and still enjoy reading them occasionally.

I was myself a gun writer for some 30 years, so it was easy to meet others at press functions and at the SHOT show and NRA conventions. I mention this because I had a PM from a member who seems suspicious that I could have known Boothroyd. But I'm not far from 70 now, as shocking as it seems, and I wrote to him while just out of high school. I started reading the Bond books wheh I was 14 or 15. I also read the "Life" feature on Fleming and read Boothroyd's interesting account in, "Sports Ill." about his acquaintance with Fleming. If your library keeps that title on file, his story was in the March or April issues of 1962, I think. Mar. 19 rings a bell, but I think it's one month or the other. Some libraries have the title on film or on microfiche.

BTW, I wrote to Ian Fleming, suggesting that Bond use a S&W M-36 with three-inch barrel and a Gaylord holster. I drew a picture of the holster, coloring it with art pencils. I received a very nice reply from his secretary telling me that Fleming was away, but that she would show him my letter on his return. Never heard from him but he must have had enormous amounts of mail to deal with.

Boothroyd told me that Fleming had gotten mail from people who thought that Bond should have guns like cap and ball Remington .44's!

Back to Beretta .25's: Aline, Countess of Ramonones, wrote in her autobiographical book, "The Spy Wore Red" that she was issued a Beretta .25 when an OSS agent in Madrid in WW II. She used it to kill a gypsy who came at her with a knife. This author was a US citizen who married the Count and became a Spaniard, but who continued to work for the CIA for some years after the war. She wrote several books about her experiences.
 
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The first agreement concerning the distribution of
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agreements run longer before their end.

Lower profit margins, let alone splitting it may be
the cause along the S&W Shield market popularity.
 
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