Washington and Oregon

[BE Mike]

We'll just agree to disagree. Nobody is trying to lower the speed limit in western states because NY is still 65 mph. You would obey the laws of the state you're in. If you don't want to take the time to understand that states laws, that's ok. Nobody's forcing you.

That is a very poor comparison. Driving is a privilege. Gun rights are protected by the U.S. Constitution. Accepting infringements upon those rights is a slippery slope.

 

[S-W4EVER]

Well, I only had one encounter with police on Camano Island - back in around 1987.

I was looking for an address using a paper map (remember those?). I came around a corner and there was a car coming towards me in the opposing lane. I realized I still had my high beams on. I quickly dimmed my lights - but apparently not quickly enough.

It was a cop car and he whipped around and hit his lights & siren. I immediately pulled over. When the officer walked up to my window I rolled it down and said something like "good evening officer".

He snapped back at me with "I'm an Island County DEPUTY SHERIFF!" As if I were trying to insult hm by addressing him using the generic title of Officer.

I didn't say it but what went through my head at that moment was "isn't a Deputy Sheriff a law-enforcement OFFICER?"

He asked for my license and registration and informed me that he had pulled me over for failure to dim my headlights.

I said I was sorry and showed him my map, explaining that I had my lights on high because I was trying to read the addresses on the houses, and that when I realized they were still on high I dimmed them as quickly as I could.

Not good enough, he wrote me a ticket.

So, 36 years ago, I would have to say at least ONE of the local Deputy Sheriffs wasn't what I'd consider a "good guy". He was more than happy to "jam me up" for the most minor offense.

Just my experience. Maybe he was just having a bad night, because he sure seemed to have a bad attitude.

Sorry to hear that. I don't remember writing many (if any) tickets for Failure to Dim, I used the violation as a reason to stop a motorist to see if they'd been drinking. If not, on to the next one (with a warning). I never cared too much about titles either, it's bad form to take offense when none is intended. (BTW, I wasn't employed by ICSO.)

 

[steelslaver]

We'll just agree to disagree. Nobody is trying to lower the speed limit in western states because NY is still 65 mph. You would obey the laws of the state you're in. If you don't want to take the time to understand that states laws, that's ok. Nobody's forcing you.

It is not a case of me not wanting to understand and obey the laws of the state I am in. But, I don't care if YOU read every New York state and city statue concerning concealed carry, that does not mean YOU will fully understand them all. Besides the statues, there are also the interpretations, the legislative intent and the the presidencies,of those statutes. I am sure of this because guess what my wife is an attorney. Attorneys spend huge amounts of their time interpreting and arguing about the actual meanings of statutes. Lots of guys with huge legal bills and even plenty of people in prison thought they knew the law. DJT thought he understood NY law and he was convicted of 38 felonies.

Ours are really simple, yours not so much. I am more likely to try roller skating in a buffalo herd, than take a gun to New York. In fact if I never ever make it to New York again I will still die a happy man.

 

[BC38]

Sorry to hear that. I don't remember writing many (if any) tickets for Failure to Dim, I used the violation as a reason to stop a motorist to see if they'd been drinking. If not, on to the next one (with a warning). I never cared too much about titles either, it's bad form to take offense when none is intended. (BTW, I wasn't employed by ICSO.)

Yeah, FWIW, this was the only time I have ever heard of anyone being cited for failure to dim their headlights. Most people I've told the story said they never even knew there was such an offense.
It was obvious the Deputy had a chip on his shoulder or was REALLY full of himself, and he was going to give me a ticket for SOMETHING - just because he could.
Like I said before, he may have just been having a bad night and I was unlucky enough to be the one he took it out on.

 

[Onomea]

... Washington and Oregon have both become very anti-gun states in the last few years, enacting lots of restrictive laws and CCW permit requirements - and they have NO reciprocity - neither of them recognizes the other's permits!
Getting an Oregon CCW requires taking an approved training class and Washington doesn't have that kind of requirement - so Oregon won't honor Washington's permits. Washington only extends reciprocity to states that also honor Washington permits.
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Re reciprocity between the two, I think the issue is that Oregon recognizes no other permits than their own. I believe a number of states have a policy of not recognizing permits from states that will not recognize theirs.

I have an Oregon resident permit, and also a non-resident Utah permit. Washington recognizes the latter, which is helpful.

In Oregon, CHLs are issued by county sheriff departments. A while ago I was reading — probably on the Northwest Firearms forum — about a Washington resident who was trying to get an Oregon, county-issued permit, so that he could carry here. He approached several Oregon counties without success, but ultimately was successful with Multnomah, which surprised me. It surprised me because Multnomah is the county which contains Portland, and surely must be the most liberal county in Oregon.

 

[BC38]

Re reciprocity between the two, I think the issue is that Oregon recognizes no other permits than their own. I believe a number of states have a policy of not recognizing permits from states that will not recognize theirs.

I have an Oregon resident permit, and also a non-resident Utah permit. Washington recognizes the latter, which is helpful.

In Oregon, CHLs are issued by county sheriff departments. A while ago I was reading — probably on the Northwest Firearms forum — about a Washington resident who was trying to get an Oregon, county-issued permit, so that he could carry here. He approached several Oregon counties without success, but ultimately was successful with Multnomah, which surprised me. It surprised me because Multnomah is the county which contains Portland, and surely must be the most liberal county in Oregon.

Good to know. I read that Oregon will issue non-resident permits to those of us in states they share a border with, however since the sheriff of the resident's counties are the ones you have to apply to for the permit, and they are the ones who have to approve the application, there was no explanation of who a non-resident would apply to, since they don't reside in any of Oregon's counties.
Seemed like a catch-22, but it sounds like a non-resident can apply to ANY county - if that county's sheriff is willing to accept, process, and approve the application. Of course you still have to take a state-approved course that includes hands-on demonstration of proficiency. Not all that easy to accomplish if you're out of state and the Oregon border is two or three hundred miles away.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Camano Island used to be a pretty quiet place back when I patrolled it (35+ years ago). The Deputies were good guys too.

Most LEO's in the Pacific Northwest aren't looking to jam up honest people... at least when I served.

Not so quite anymore. About 17,000 people living here now. Went down to the state park last Sunday and no place to park. When I moved here in 95 there were only 5,000 people on the island. Probably about the same when you lived here.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Sorry to hear that. I don't remember writing many (if any) tickets for Failure to Dim, I used the violation as a reason to stop a motorist to see if they'd been drinking. If not, on to the next one (with a warning). I never cared too much about titles either, it's bad form to take offense when none is intended. (BTW, I wasn't employed by ICSO.)

We used to have a terrible problem with drunk drivers back in the 90's and ICSO was hell bent on pulling over anyone for any reason they could think of after about 10 pm. Happened to me several times. We still have an understaffed sheriffs office. Response times are ridiculous. Sheriffs deputy's are good folk these days.

 

[Autonomous]

Good to know. I read that Oregon will issue non-resident permits to those of us in states they share a border with, however since the sheriff of the resident's counties are the ones you have to apply to for the permit, and they are the ones who have to approve the application, there was no explanation of who a non-resident would apply to, since they don't reside in any of Oregon's counties.
Seemed like a catch-22, but it sounds like a non-resident can apply to ANY county - if that county's sheriff is willing to accept, process, and approve the application. Of course you still have to take a state-approved course that includes hands-on demonstration of proficiency. Not all that easy to accomplish if you're out of state and the Oregon border is two or three hundred miles away.

It's not as bad as you imagine.
Take an Oregon approved CCW class. They will tell you where and how to send in your paperwork.

 

[S-W4EVER]

Not so quite anymore. About 17,000 people living here now. Went down to the state park last Sunday and no place to park. When I moved here in 95 there were only 5,000 people on the island. Probably about the same when you lived here.

Camano Island was part of my beat (1986-90) in addition to north Snohomish County. I lived in N. Marysville at the time (until I could transfer to the dry side).

 

[Onomea]

.. Of course you still have to take a state-approved course that includes hands-on demonstration of proficiency...

I think they just want to see some evidence of training/competence.

I've only been here in Oregon since 2016. When I applied for my CHL then, they accepted as proof of safe gun handling skills a notarized copy, a certificate of completion of the basic NRA handgun safety course, provided by my instructor in Hawaii from about 15 years earlier which I had obtained there to satisfy requirements to purchase guns in Hawaii.

This website, under FAQs, indicates that this is the case: Frequently Asked Questions - Oregon Concealed Handgun Licensing

Demonstrate competence with a handgun by any one of the following means:

1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the State Department of Fish and Wildlife or a similar agency of another state if handgun safety was a component of the course;

2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course if handgun safety was a component of the course;

3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by law enforcement, community college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or a law enforcement agency if handgun safety was a component of the course;

3. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, reserve law enforcement officers or any other law enforcement officers if handgun safety was a component of the course;

4. Present evidence of equivalent experience with a handgun through participation in an organized shooting competition or military service;

5. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state, unless the license has been revoked; or

6. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a firearms instructor certified by a law enforcement agency or the National Rifle Association if handgun safety was a component of the course.

 

[Racer X]

Arizona accepted my NRA RSO certification and my NRA classification card for Bullseye Pistol for their version of the above #4 option. Arizona is a good option for a non-resident permit with great reciprocity. But doesn't help me with Oregon. AAAAAAARGH!

 

[balin]

Federal law allows transportation of unloaded firearms between states that the carrier can legally have in the state he started and finished in.