What are your opinions on the Subaru or similar "crossover" SUV's?

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Looking into getting a more practical vehicle, and the Subaru Forester, Outback, and the Mazda CX 5 seem to get the highest praises in these types of cars.
Any opinion on them?
My only worry is that the Subaru's seem to need more maintenance than the other Japanese brands.
 
I've got one of the Mazda CX5's in the Sports Max AWD. Had it for the last 2 years. It's been a great vehicle so far and I would highly recommend them. They are usually in the Top 5 sold vehicles in Australia.
 
Two new 2017 Foresters in my sisters family and she's a liberal democrat. Subies seem to be especially popular with them as well as the alphabet identity groups. I like the Forester, sits up high, but would take a Honda CRV everytime. my wife drives an Acura TSX wagon, 2011 model imported from Japan. The exchange rate stopped Acura from importing it but I love it. Fast, fuel efficient and fun to drive. Wagon gives it very good utility value.

We looked at an Outback but the 4cyl wasn't quick enough and the 6 cyl is on the chopping block so I expect she will get a 2020 Acura RDX as that will be 2nd year of a new model. She's retiring in Dec 2019 so a reward is in order. I'm keeping the TSX for a knockabout ride if she does buy new.

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We did months and months of crossover shopping for my wife. The Subaru's are good cars but are a little pricey if you get the more powerful engines. My wife likes LOTS of power and after looking at every vehicle out there she decided on a Nissan Murano but she had to have heated leather seats and a sunroof and that pushed the price to about $43K. Then we saw a one year old Infinity QX 50 with 17K miles in brand new condition for $23,700 and snagged it. She loves it and I love driving it because it is really fast!
 
We have owned three Subarus, two Outbacks and a Forester. All have been excellent very reliable cars. When we both retired we downsized to one Outback, it's almost off lease and we have ordered a new Ascent. Wife likes the interior better. Note: the Outback is classed as American, check the VIN.
Geoff
Who notes Service on Japan source cars is NOT CHEAP, but neither is GM anymore.
 
We're a 2 Subaru family. I got a Forester because I don't like contorting myself to get in and out of vehicles. I also prefer standard transmissions, but I'm getting spoiled by the CVT on the wife's car. If it's important to you, the AWD system is better than that on the other vehicles, which are 2 WD vehicles until they have wheelspin. Then they engage the drive system on whatever the "other" wheels are. Subaru (except for the BRZ) are AWD all the time. The traction control is outstanding, the directional stability nanny is tolerant, unobtrusive and can be muted.

The engine design changed in 2010, eliminating the head gasket issues that sometimes crept up and the camshafts are again driven by chains, not rubber bands. I really don't see any significant difference in maintenance chores between brands.

My 1987 Impreza wagon died saving me in a head on collision in 1994.

About those "special interest groups".....one of the "in" jokes among Subaru owners is "I didn't know you were_____________".
 
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Subaru seems popular amongst the mountain dwelling folk of VT, NH, and NC. Cousins wife in western NC loves her new Forester.
 
We are big Forester fans. My wife has a 2012 she swears she will never get rid of and I have had a 2014, 2015 and 2016. Next year I will get a 2018 or check out the 2019s.

They have a three year bumper to bumper so I have no maintenance worries (I also buy the dealer's three year maintenance plan so all maintenance is paid for twice a year for three years).

Neither of us have a payment.

What's not to like.

By the way that is the Brownell facility in Grinnell, IA. Just off I-80. Check it out.
 

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The people who own them become Big Fans most of the time. My son just got one and he likes the gas milage the most. Personally they are not for me - I like the traditional American sized SUV's and feel they lack power, room and hauling capacity which I still need. I suppose if you are JUST using them for personal transportation they are fine cars and would suite one well. They certainly sell enough if them - so I can only assume they are good AWD vehicles.
 
I think much depends on whether you are truly going to drive it off road. If one plans on getting off the pavement occasionally I would strongly recommend the Subaru. When our urban dwelling friends want to take thier cross-over out on the ranch or down row-cropping equipment lanes, I always put a 30 foot chain in the F150 or a jeep, because I know I am going to be pulling someone out!

But the Subrau’s do amazingly well. They are hard to stick until they get high-centered. I was amazed to see how well one of those little BMW SUV’s did too when one of my crazy friends got a snoot full and wanted to show me what it would do off road.

If it is simply going to be a town car for pavement, I suspect about any are good.
 
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For over 20 years, we have lived in or around the mountains and spend a fair amount off road/snowy roads. Generally, my wife has had a smaller SUV and I had a P/U Truck.

My first "4WD" was a BRAT. Good except no power and trans-axle boots kept going out (leaking oil onto exhaust). From then on it was larger SUVs or P/Us for me.

Spouse and I have gone through:
1. RAV4=good, peppy car. Ours was 4 speed and NOT 4WD. With snow tires, worked good in the Cascades, where we live now. Pain changing tires 2x a year!
2. Pathfinder: Older with 175 horses=not good re: power.
3. Current car: Xterra w 275 hp. Great car, 4WD, decent mileage. My supervisor is very "outdoorsy" and they have 2.

4. As I said, we live in the Cascade foothills. Can be snow-laden 4 months of the year. LOTS of Subarus in our (Forest Service) employee lot! Lots are driven in town by local residents.
5. Also, lots of Kia's in town. Very popular. Note: We drove a 4WD Sorrento all over Alaska last year and really loved it!

Work on any car is ridiculous. We had a Jeep for one year and repairs totaled more than the payments!
 
I test drove an Outback and a Forester earlier this year. Good vehicles, I'd own one if the ride were smoother and quieter. The seats are so comfortable in some Subarus that I'd like to remove them and put them in my living room.

I ended up buying a Kia Sportage. I know it seems counterintuitive, but for a crossover I found nothing with as smooth, comfortable, and quiet a ride, while also being a lot of fun to drive.

I tried the Mazda CX-5 because it's supposed to be fun, but I didn't get much out of it. The Kia is more fun for me to drive.
 
I have friends that are wealthy enough to buy any car they want and they all happily drive Subaru's including the Forester and keep them 10 years or more. Their parents drove Subaru's and so do all the kids now that they are grown up. The "grandchildren" are now acquiring Subaru's. No, they are not Subaru dealers. Both of my sisters have driven Foresters for a long time and love them. I am more of a Ford guy though.
 
After two years research I recently bought a loaded Mazda CX-5 FWD. I am very happy with it. I had a 2011 Mazda CX-9 that had zero problems, but too big for wife to drive and we don't travel much these days. Only negative comment on the CX-5 is they should give you a class to learn how to use all the electronic stuff.

Also have a 2014 Accord that is a very nice car. Didn't consider a CRV because of the CVT and tiny (1500CC) engine.
 
My son in California has 2014 Subaru Ouback. We bought it for him in 2016 as a college graduation present. He loves it. Subarus, we have also noted, are very popular in the Pacific Northwest.

In Japan, we had a Lexus RX for six years and loved it — very comfortable, spacious and quiet car — but needed a smaller car for the smaller, narrower streets when we retired to a different city.
 
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While traveling to vt from ct I noticed in every other driveway there’s a Subaru. That tells us something.

I’m on my third Subaru. Still have my 2010 legacy and my 2016 cross trec is awesome. I only buy Subaru’s now, since gm sold me junk.
 
We just sold a newer Forester. It ran fine & drove okay, but the interior was spartan and it was kind of slow. Maybe I don't "get" the whole Subi thing.
I vote for a nice RDX or maybe a CX-5 if you want a good value.
 
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I have a 2015 Subaru Crosstrek XV (not the hybrid!). The Crosstrek is basically nothing but an Impreza wagon with a somewhat beefed up suspension and more ground clearance.

It's an okay little car. Mine has a manual transmission...hard to find these days. Things in the car's favor are its AWD system and great fuel economy. The car's easy to get in and out of. Seat material is cheap. With almost nine inches of ground clearance, I haven't gotten stuck yet. The rear cargo area is roomy with the rear seats folded down. It has the Boxer engine. Note that the only other auto company using a Boxer is Porsche. It's a very dependable motor, but it does take a while for it to warm up in cold weather.

Unfortunately, the Crosstrek is horribly underpowered, weighing in at only 148 horsepower (in 2015). I can't imagine this lack of power hooked up to a CVT. At least with the manual transmission, I can wind it out to get the most out of its power. It'd be a great car if it had 200 horsepower like some of the Hondas.

Interior accoutrements are cheap and cheap looking. That's the only way to put it. It's glittery and shiny, but it still cheap looking...like some women I've known.

Oh, and you can't get an electric sunroof with a manual transmission! Go figure.

The factory floor mats are useless, totally useless, even the rubber ones. Take them out soon as you can and get some Weathertech ones or Husky Liners. The interior carpet is cheap, and if you get ground in dirt in it, you'll have to work to get it out. And it'll never look like new again.

If you opt for any sound system other than Subaru's "premium" system, resign yourself to feeling like you're back in your 1972 Chevy Nova with speakers you bought from K-Mart. For a 6-speaker system, the non-premium system is simply horrible. The on-screen menus are confusing until you get used to them. And I hear the 2018 Subaru's sound systems are really quirky...something about the radio stays on all the time.

Subaru touts itself as being "dog friendly". Well, that's true, I guess, as my two dogs love riding in it. Unfortunately (there's that word again) Subaru's seatback protectors and cargo mat are like toys or something. Made out of some really thin composite material. This material will not hold up under three years of two Rottweilers jumping into the car and moving around on them during trips. I'll soon replace the seatback protectors with new ones, and a Weathertech cargo mat will replace the factory one. Regular "cargo" and smaller dogs are fine, but big dogs? No, it won't hold up.

Subaru's a quirky little car company that hasn't reached as much of the American market as their advertising would have you believe.

Never one to leave well enough alone, I replaced the boring factory wheels with Enkei wheels about two weeks after I bought it. I also had a factory custom grill and a pair of Hella Supertone Horns laying around here for three years, ever since I bought the car. Finally got those installed a couple of weeks ago, after disassembling the grill and removing the Subaru badge from the center of it. The difference in appearance is significant, and the Hella horns are amazingly loud...no more of that roadrunner-beep-beep garbage.

As I said, the car is quirky. Things you take for granted on other small SUVs in this price range are absent on the Subaru. Then again, it has a few things the others don't.

A good and dependable little car, yes. Would I buy another one. Probably not.

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Wife and I just rented a "Crosstrak" in Colorado a couple weeks back. Nice enough, AWD (we got a Chevy Malibu back in Feb when it snowed), took us up and down several mountains. Seemed to have enough power for a 4 banger but I noticed the tachometer going up to 4500 RPM trying to merge onto I 25. No lockable trunk and our 2 mid size suitcases filled the storage area. I guess I'd give it a thumbs up. Joe
 
Without knowing where you live or what you want to do with the vehicle, it is all but impossible to predict which vehicle you would like best??

I live in big snow country and need a reliable true 4-wheel-drive SUV and there are just not that many out there anymore. AWD is OK for most who really never take them off the highway. They help up to a point, but should never be confused with full capability 4-wheel-drive systems. I have pulled more AWD out of snowbanks than I can count and often think AWD owners display more confidence than they should with their cross-overs.

I invariably read threads like this where people just have to trash a brand they had years ago. There are lemons of every brand out there and many of us have owned one, but it has nothing to do with overall capabilities and general reliability of any brand. I cannot ignore the fact that foreign car owners are fierce in their allegiance to a particular brand no matter how often the vehicle is in the shop. I have several friends in this situation and no use trying to change their minds. Oh, its just normal wear or didn't cost me a cent - it is still under warranty, etc.

Today's vehicles are almost all good - Period! Capabilities needed for by a particular owner should be the determining factor in what they buy. Off road use should shorten the list to exclude all AWDs. Big snow country car buyers should make careful assessments of what works best for where they live and again AWD barely does the job.

For the OP, find what works for you and your driving situation, but beware of the AWD hype, and the comment from those fiercly loyal brand name owners. Good luck in your search.
 
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