What is going on here? solved - Simunition conversion

[gdogs]

My Dad bought a Mod 67-6 a while back and just now tried to chamber around. The bullet starts into the chamber but stops about 3/8" from seating. He looked inside and saw what looks like a sleeve which is stopping the round from going all the way in. Each one appears to have a notch in it, rather than one continuous ring. I'm a few hours away, so I can't inspect it myself, but he knows his way around a S&W and he doesn't have a clue, and I don't either for that matter. Any ideas?

 

[sammynomas]

Shooting .38's in a .357, or .44 specials in a .44 mag will leave powder rings in the cylinders. They will need cleaned with a bore brush and cleaner.

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[CQB27]

Those look like simunitions sleeves used to insure a gun used to fire simunition/paint marking force on force training rounds will not chamber a live round. I'm about 99% sure that's what the are. I have only installed them, never removed them. They are slightly oversized and spring like tension holds them in there. Maybe Just get a dental pick and pull/ slide them out.

 

[gdogs]

After looking at the pictures, I had him check each cylinder, and one seems to be a different length.

 

[gdogs]

Yep, just found them. Has to be what they are. Thanks!
http://setcan.com/simunition_kits.php

 

[Pisgah]

Those look like submunitions sleeves used to insure a gun used to fire submunition/paint marking force on force training rounds will not chamber a live round. I'm about 99% sure that's what the are. I have only installed them, never removed them. They are slightly oversized and spring like tension holds them in there. Maybe Just get a dental pick and pull/ slide them out.

I recognized them, but couldn't remember the name! Senior citizen now, for sure...

 

[CQB27]

Yep, just found them. Has to be what they are. Thanks!
http://setcan.com/simunition_kits.php

You are very welcome mate!

 

[Speedo2]

Nothing that I've ever seen before, but 2 thoughts come to mind; definitely WAGS on my part:

1. Somebody installed split ring sleeves into the cylinder in order to make the gun into a blanks-only device, possibly with 38 S&W (not SPL) black powder blanks in mind. I have no rational explanation as to why anyone would want to do that to a M67.

2. We're seeing the results of somebody firing 32-20 cartridges in a 38 SPL gun with resulting casing rupture and separation fragments still stuck in the cylinder bores. Not likely, given the machined-like appearance of the sleeves.

Regardless, I'd return the gun from whence it came. It can't chamber its intended ammunition, therefore it's of no use in its current condition, and it appears that somebody was up to no good with it. -S2

 

[CQB27]

I recognized them, but couldn't remember the name! Senior citizen now, for sure...

I had an old First Sergeant that had the problem. He substituted the word "Hoo Rah" for the words he couldn't remember. Next time just say "Those are Hoo Rahs that........". Works love me a charm.

 

[gdogs]

All 6 have now been removed safely with a brass punch per the manufacturers instructions. Can always count on the guys here to bring the knowledge! This gun was from a group of police trade ins. Must have been used for training at one time or another.

 

[sammynomas]

Congrats, glad it was simple and easy to get it back shooting.

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