What is your Go to War Sidearm?

[lrrifleman]

It would appear that Russia has upgraded the age old Tokarev round with what is listed as a 9x21 with a funky looking bullet. Visualize a jacketed hollow point will an exposed stepped lead soft point that would facilitate expansion.

Also, to giant1, I do not believe that either the Geneva Accords or the Hague Convention applies to the civilian population of a belligerent nation.

 

[Smoke]

Civilian irregulars wouldn't be bound by The Hauge Accords

 

[G-Mac]

They don't call it a "Combat Commander" for nothing!

 

[Rustyt1953]

"There is only one way to fight, and that's dirty.

True dat!


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[pharmer]

This has all been covered in depth in the Chronicles of Gecko45.

I've already got the wheelbarrow, just need to "harden it." Joe

 

[Rustyt1953]

I've already got the wheelbarrow, just need to "harden it." Joe

Gecko45 pro tip: ceramic plates and duct tape.

 

[Echo40]

@ Forte,

Did you just change the scenario? Initially, your scenario read as if we'd be going to battle to defend the United States from an invader (essentially defending the home turf). It didn't read as though we'd be assisting a foreign nation as mercenaries or the resistance!

No, in fact if you read the OP then you will see that I intentionally never provided a scenario and left it completely up to the readers imagination because if I had used a precise scenario then it would limit the amount of responses the thread could receive.

The more precise the scenario, the more conditional the responses will become. Furthermore, I feared that even a vague scenario like an unspecified invasion or civil unrest might be misinterpreted as topical, potentially causing the thread to drift onto tangential discussions regarding events of a political nature which could jepardize the very existence of the thread.

So there never was a scenario to begin with, you just filled in the blanks which I intentionally left for participants to fill in for the sake of diversity.

Besides, even if there were a scenario provided, my previous post would have no bearing whatsoever on it, I was merely stating why I do not personally agree with the concept of carrying a particular firearm based solely on the potential availability of combatants dropping ammo which could be salvaged or otherwise looted by the civilian population.

Forte Smitten Wesson, it's my understanding (and I could be wrong) that the Geneva Convention banned militaries from carrying JHPs, limiting them instead to FMJs. Of course, I'm sure that the Russians are strictly abiding by that in the Ukraine War (sarcasm). Anyone know for sure?

It was the Hague Convention, which wasn't signed by the United States, yet the US Armed Forces still carry NATO Spec 9mm FMJ out of compliance, not to mention so that ammo can be shared with allied nations who have signed.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Clearly you don’t understand the concept of “going to war . . . “

I didn’t go back and look. What will be lying next to you?

Until you run out of ammo . Not gonna be a lot of free 5.7x28 laying around for the taking.

 

[forrestinmathews]

I'm not going to carry a revolver. You're welcome to. Jerry wouldn't carry a revolver either and isn't shooting one anymore. Let's not be silly. There's no capacity, they weigh too much for what they are and you're not going to recover any of your moonclips or speed loaders. It's a romantic dream.

The one fella is going to fall down the steps of his front porch or drown in the first mud puddle he comes to with all those guns. He's got a sense of humor.

You're going to do well taking a double stack 9mm and keeping your expended magazines in some sort of dump pouch. Otherwise you're going to be finding a new sidearm in short order that is whatever you can pick up. Dump pouch also works well for picking up the other guys magazines full of 9mm. I'd go for a an M&P9 or a G19 the most accurate of each design, they hide away should one need them too and they take most of the magazines available on the Glock side.

 

[ladder13]

Great thread, combination of best caliber, semi vs auto, and best carry gun all rolled into one.

 

[tlawler]

Gecko45 pro tip: ceramic plates and duct tape.

Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while

 

[RobertJ.]

I have no intention of "going to war".

My wife and I manage a small apartment complex here in town. In the event of SHTF, I'll defend it and the residents (some who are elderly) until I can't any longer. My wife wants us to go to her family's property which is in the woods about thirty miles from here, but I've become such good friends with all our tenants that I couldn't live with myself if I left them helpless. Not only that, but all our survival food is here, and would be extremely unhandy to try to move. I've discussed this with my next-door-neighbor (who's on the same page I am) and we figure there are at least a couple guys in each of our three buildings that can be counted on.

What sidearm will I carry? My BHP at all times, plus probably my Model 29. But I'll also have a shotgun and/or an AR nearby at all times as well.

 

[djohns6]

Good points, Mule Packer, and you gave me some ideas that I hadn't thought of to ponder.

If battlefield pick ups consist of military-issued FMJ ammo, I'd be reluctant to use FMJs out of the risk of over-penetration harming innocent third parties, or does that really matter, because anyone behind the bad guys is reasonably unlikely to be an innocent third party?

Does anyone know whether the Geneva and Hague Conventions apply to civilians (not political officials or sworn peace officers) fighting off military invaders and/or SHTF/internal civil wars, especially trying civilians for war crimes and crimes against humanity, e.g. shooting surenderees and not taking prisoners due to lack of ability to detain them?

Along those lines, would the normal rule of law be relaxed as to self-defense, say excessive force and reasonable belief of imminent threat to life and limb?

With all due respect sir , you are completely overthinking this .

 

[wood714]

So there never was a scenario to begin with, you just filled in the blanks which I intentionally left for participants to fill in for the sake of diversity.

I saw a armadillo was in my front yard last night. This means war to me.

I keep this leaning against a chest in my dinning room just for this occasion. I keep it strategically placed there so it is at easy reach for front or back yard combat.

 

[pantannojack]

The one I've been practicing with

To day it's a 29-3 4" shooting 240g lead over 6g Red Dot, yesterday it was a Shield 45 shooting 200g LSWC over 5.3g 231. Tomorrow it might be a Kimber 45 shooting LSWC , or a 657 shooting 215g lead over the same 6g Red dot, latter on maybe a m18 shooting FC Auto Match. It does not matter because in my dreams, once I secure a position, I will be capturing weapons and re deploying them.

 

[Rustyt1953]

I saw a armadillo was in my front yard last night. This means war to me.

I keep this leaning against a chest in my dinning room just for this occasion. I keep it strategically placed there so it is at easy reach for front or back yard combat.

Did you not see the "Stopping Power" video? Yer taking a big risk.

 

[StrawHat]

…It does not matter because in my dreams…

Best answer yet! Because no matter what we post, it is all just postulating.

Kevin

 

[wood714]

Did you not see the "Stopping Power" video? Yer taking a big risk.

A CCI 22 subsonic usually is a thru and thru wound.

Saw something a year or few ago about someone shooting one with a 38 Special and it ricocheted off. Just ain't gonna happen.

I use to kill them dead, but got tired of carrying them off to the rear ditch for the buzzards. I shoot them in the middle now, so they have time to run back to the woods and die.

 

[ladder13]

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”

Mike Tyson

 

[otis24]

Browning Hi Power