What it takes to be secure is beyond was a CCW provides.

[APS]

Miming requires "jazz hands" which requires opposable thumbs, limiting wildlife miming to koalas, opossums, pandas, primates and sorta, kinda raccoons.

Jazz hands give me the creeps.

Whatever. I'm sure Buffalo Bore makes a super powerful round for shooting miming animals.

 

[jlrhiner]

I like bear claws too. I've never used a 10mm on a miming koala bear, but I would!

 

[Kanewpadle]

I like bear claws too. I've never used a 10mm on a miming koala bear, but I would!

Thanks. Now I got an image of an exploding koala bear in my head. Poor koala bear.

 

[Kanewpadle]

1. There is the feeling I see from some that if I have a CCW and a weapon I am secure.
2. This isn't completely true.
3. Without awareness and practicing avoidance you are still vulnerable to attack.
4. Vulnerable to prosecution for the misuse of a firearm.
5. Vulnerable to prosecution for assault with a deadly weapon.
6. Vulnerable to murder charges by the misuse of a firearm.
7. Vulnerable to be sued for damages suffered by a firearm discharge.
8. Vulnerable to losing your firearm.
9. Vulnerable to being killed by your own firearm.

To be secure involves much more than packing.
1. It involves be awareness of your surroundings.
2. It involves avoiding problems.
3. It involves using techniques like verbal judo to reduce the likelihood of a confrontation.
4. It involves knowing the self defense laws as it pertains to a firearm.
5. It involves trying to avoid a confrontation rather than confronting it.
6. It involves knowing what to do when confronted by the police after a shooting.
7. It involves knowing when to run even if you are packing.
8. It involves not isolating yourself.
9. It involves having a plan of what to do when faced with a possible assailant, whether the shooting will be seen as self defense, knowing what to say when you talk to the police, having self control to know when to stop defending yourself, knowing when to stop shooting so your actions are seen as assault and/or murder, knowing when you can shoot, etc.
10. You may protect your family but how is everybody going to feel if you go to far and end up in prison for years for excessive force and/or murder because you went to far.

People must realize there is no security in defending yourself and going to far. You accomplished the saying: "It is better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6" but your kids may grow up without a father.

Try being secure in the fact that when you do defend yourself that you don't orphan your kids, kill an innocent person, don't kill your children and/or your wife while trying to defend them, avoid a lawsuit, etc. There is no security for you and your family if you can't control your temper and emotions. Part of being secure is knowing that how you respond to a lethal threat in a way that won't put you behind bars, have you arrested, have to fight charges by the DA for murder and going to far.

What kind of security does it offer your kids and wife if their Dad doesn't follow the self defense laws and has to leave them for prison time. Did you really fully protect your family from harm? I don't know about any of you but to having to leave your family because you ignored the laws of self defense shows you partially protected them but you failed to protect them against the loss of a father.

A CCW, owning a firearm, and packing a firearm are only a part of what it takes to protect yourself. Another what if scenario I think not. Being secure also involves protecting your family and children.

SirrDuke, I sincerely hope that you are trying to learn the art of self defense with a firearm. It is an art which many take seriously and some sadly do not.

But sometimes I think you worry too much. Learn yes. Worry no.

 

[Kanewpadle]

And to you funny bear thread guys, it ain't funny.

I've been chased by bear. Seen them shot. And shot one myself. And I'm here to tell you that there is not one single hand gun round that I would count on with the exception of a 500 or 460.

A 10 or 12ga slug works wonders.

 

[McBear]

And to you funny bear thread guys, it ain't funny.

I've been chased by bear. Seen them shot. And shot one myself. And I'm here to tell you that there is not one single hand gun round that I would count on with the exception of a 500 or 460.

A 10 or 12ga slug works wonders.

The ones in Kentucky and Tennessee seem to run 200-400 pounds at most. I found out last year that I don't have a desire to try and outrun them and that they get bored around fire towers [and that bear p*** requires four trips through the car wash for the Jeep]. But I have been told that hot 357 will do the trick, though I have not seen it myself and don't want to meet Ranger Bob should it be required.

 

[Kanewpadle]

The ones in Kentucky and Tennessee seem to run 200-400 pounds at most. I found out last year that I don't have a desire to try and outrun them and that they get bored around fire towers [and that bear p*** requires four trips through the car wash for the Jeep]. But I have been told that hot 357 will do the trick, though I have not seen it myself and don't want to meet Ranger Bob should it be required.

I grew up in Alaska and they were just a "little" bigger.

 

[Lost Lake]

Man, you were chased by a bear???

Talk about scary. Wow.

And McBear, why did you have to mention bear claws....
Those tasty glazed doughnuts with the carmel and chocolate frosting... Now I want a bear claw... and it's a 20 minute drive to town!

 

[ladder13]

Does a bear know what "CTG" means and does it care?

 

[dnielson]

The post was rather painful to try to read, but some of the points are well-made, if a bit over the top. A firearm is a tool, and should not be carried unless the carrier is willing to use it if needed.

 

[Stu Honea]

Does a bear know what "CTG" means and does it care?

Please BEAR with me,whilst I give this deep consideration.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Man, you were chased by a bear???

Talk about scary. Wow.

And McBear, why did you have to mention bear claws....
Those tasty glazed doughnuts with the carmel and chocolate frosting... Now I want a bear claw... and it's a 20 minute drive to town!

Yes, twice. I was 15 or 16. We were fishing. I was walking back to camp with some fish in a net over my shoulder. I just happened to look behind me a saw the bear about 20 yards back. All he wanted were the fish. After a short chase, he got them cause I dropped them.

Shortly after that my dad bought me my first gun. A Ruger Blackhawk 44 mag. About six years later I shot a brown bear with that gun when he decided he wanted my fish and I decided he couldn't have them. Might have been the same bear.

People don't realize that when a bear gets old and lazy, he looks for an easy meal. And he isn't too old or lazy to maul you to get want he wants.

 

[seagill]

And to you funny bear thread guys, it ain't funny.

I've been chased by bear. Seen them shot. And shot one myself. And I'm here to tell you that there is not one single hand gun round that I would count on with the exception of a 500 or 460.

A 10 or 12ga slug works wonders.

My neighbor grew up in Fairbanks. He once told me a story about being chased by a wolf while he was riding a dirt bike. And no, the wolf wasn't riding the bike.

 

[jlrhiner]

Yes, twice. I was 15 or 16. We were fishing. I was walking back to camp with some fish in a net over my shoulder. I just happened to look behind me a saw the bear about 20 yards back. All he wanted were the fish. After a short chase, he got them cause I dropped them.

what a sissy. didn't you have a filet knife

If you had pondered that scenario beforehand, would you have been prepared?

 

[Kanewpadle]

No, I wasn't prepared. My ole man had the 44 at the fishin hole which left me unarmed. That's why he bought me my own. Most of the time we had a 12ga close by. But I forgot that too. Typical teenager.

 

[OK Hog Shooter]

I once worked with a fella who hunted bears with switches.... He was soooo ugly the bears turned and ran! Now that's what l call hunting with a silencer... As l remember he used to practice in the office by stalking fellow workers and swatting at them when they least expected it... so he was prepared, practiced with his weapon and applied it in the face of danger... you might say he hunted with the "bear" necessities!

HG

 

[Kanewpadle]

Funny how these threads progress isn't it? We need to rename it "Bear Stories".

 

[Lost Lake]

Funny how these threads progress isn't it? We need to rename it "Bear Stories".

Sir Duck's posts are unbearable, so turning this into a bear thread is fitting.

I just can't imagine running from a bear. I hear they are pretty fast, so I'd be terrified.

 

[Chuck1217]

OKhog shtr said "practiced with his weapon and applied it in the face of danger... you might say he hunted with the "bear" necessities!"
The kanew said "
Funny how these threads progress isn't it? "
Progress? Is that what you call it? "bear necessities"..ouch....

 

[Reggie Dunlop]

Could dark times be bruin for those who pack heat? Dukie tries to convey the grizzly truth as he sees it, but I just can't bear to read the whole post. I am sure some will paws and consider his deep thoughts and not sluff it off as a pile of scat. Me? I'll have a bowl of porridge, fondle my 10MM, and try not to think too much.