What some clueful instructors carry as their defensive firearm

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I found it interesting that all those super-duper instructors are carrying modified Glocks (3 had "bone stock Glocks"). I'll stick with either my PPS with 124gr HSTs or my M&P in 357Sig. Can't hit much with a Glock, and to me the ability to reliably hit what you aim at in combination with the weapon going bang with each trigger pull are the only real criteria for the weapon.
 
Take into consideration that most of these instructors have never actually been in a armed confrontation, what kind of experience is that to draw from?

They teach classes, tell each other they are great, and post videos about how great they are. Then people who pay for their classes also tell them they are great.
 
More police and law enforcement in the U.S. (and perhaps internationally) carry Glocks on and off duty than any other handgun .

Love or hate the Glock, they're involved in more officer involved shootings than any other handgun.

How many legitimate failures (of the firearm, not the operator) have you heard about?

I started my law enforcement career carrying S&W revolvers exclusively. Then transitioned to Colt Gov't Model (series 70) and then on to the Glock 19 and 26. They are still my carry firearms of choice.

Why? Because they simply work.

The two which I have carried since 1988 and 1995 respectively were bone stock up until this year when I succumbed to the allure of adding night sights, a grip plug and a striker control device. Were any necessary? No. Not in my opinion, but I am satisfied.

All internal parts are completely stock.

All the Glock naysayers need to grow up and deal with facts rather than emotion.

Glocks, like S&W, HK, Beretta, Sig etc are not perfect. No firearm made is or has been. But they are an excellent firearm that excels in the arena it was designed for.

Those who don't think they can be shot accurately are either deficient themselves or haven't been around those who are competent with the gun.

Frankly, if I knew I was going into a gunfight and had to choose just one handgun, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment bringing my Glock 19 or 17.
(However, I do not think that it's the only good choice and I don't waste time bashing the choices of others when they are based upon both facts and experience.)

Fire away.

ETA: I forgot to mention that we also carried the S&W 6906 for a period before the Glocks were issued. Didn't want to withhold any of the relevant facts.
 
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Well, it's interesting to folks who have little or no other outside frame of reference. Nothing wrong with that, in and of itself.

I'm over on the other side of the aisle, meaning the significant influence I see is from firearms instructors on the LE side of the house. After all, I served as a LE firearms instructor for about 26 years, and the significant majority of my inside and outside training was with other LE instructors. Most of the people I've helped train and qual have been LE. (I did help teach private citizen classes periodically, for close to 10 years, for folks who were either getting their first CCW license or were renewing one, but that only added a few hundred people to the numbers I helped teach and qual over the years.)

I remember the days when LE firearms instructors were often pocketing a S&W 5-shot snub on their own time, but back in those days there were a lot more people with a revolver background.

In more recent years I've seen the trend of one or another compact or subcompact double stack being carried by off-duty instructors (and the distinction between one company's compact and another company's subcompact can be quite fuzzy, at times, too). The 1911 was still quite popular with the more experienced shooters, but again, the simplicity of the plastic double stack was seriously eating into the numbers of both traditional DA double stack guns (DA/SA) and the SA 1911 guns.

It's been interesting to see instructors who were previously carrying some double stack compact or subcompact decide to adopt one of the newer single stack subcompacts. Well, guys and gals who had to carry full-size double stacks on-duty, often wanted to lighten their load on their own time. The littler single stacks like the Shield and G43 have been appearing all over the place in instructor hands.

I've also seen an interesting number of LE instructors shifting to the 9mm, too, for both duty and off-duty. The reasons are often pretty simple. It's easier to shoot 9mm accurately, faster and more controllably, than the .40 & .45ACP. Modern JHP ammunition has benefited from design attention and efforts, too.

I've seen longtime 1911/.45 guys (including a former Gunsite instructor) make the shift to increasingly smaller plastic 9's for their own carry choices.

Of course, something else that merits a little attention is that the increase in the availability of smallish plastic .380's has also been nibbling into the off-duty (and secondary) market for LE users. Simply put, it's easier to slip a pocket-holstered LCP or Bodyguard into a jeans or jacket pocket than even some of the smallest subcompact 9mm single stacks, and those little plastic .380's have been making their presence felt, even among LE firearms instructors (as long as they aren't too small for their hands to hold and confidently manipulate ;) ).

Me? I still like my 5-shot J-frames for casual retirement carry roles, but I also like a couple of LCP's I've added to my retirement CCW options. They fit in tighter and shorter pockets where I can't quite conceal a J-frame.

Sure, I'll still use one of my subcompact or compact 9's, .40's or .45's, and I do tend to like the smallish 9's, in both double and single stack configurations. I tend to look at them as slightly "improved" Chiefs Specials of newer times ... and my CS9 and CS45 ARE more modern Chiefs Specials (than the little revolvers). ;)

Now, one thing I noticed in the linked video (which doesn't surprise me) is the selection of some pistols which don't see a lot of LE/Gov use. That's where non-LE instructors have more leeway, on the one hand. But on another hand, LE instructors can usually tend to benefit from carrying choices that have seen a fair amount of vetting and testing in the hands of LE/Gov users.

Also, LE instructors may also have the opportunity to become factory-trained armorers for a wide variety of the more "common" LE popular pistols choices. This can not only help them be more familiar with normal maintenance and any potential occasional repairs, but may give them some further insights into the normal operation and running of the better known LE/Gov pistols, and how well some of them can be expected to run under extended use conditions.
 
Me? I still like my 5-shot J-frames for casual retirement carry roles, but I also like a couple of LCP's I've added to my retirement CCW options. They fit in tighter and shorter pockets where I can't quite conceal a J-frame.

A beautiful blued model 36 was my original backup gun on and off the job, which, regrettably, I sold about 20 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20.

Now a 642-1 has taken its place for pocket or AIWB carry in the walking around area within a mile or so of my semi-rural home.

Once I step foot into the 4Runner or have reason to think more firepower might be called for, I reach for something with more capacity.
 
I quit watching his videos, after calling him out for pirating someone else's footage.

I have nothing against Glocks, except I do occasionally limp wrist.

I don't have problems with any other brand of semi auto pistols, just Glocks. I carry a FNS40 much of the time -when I don't have my S&W Bodyguard .380 on me.

But then, I'm not LE. I carry what I've assured myself will work, should the need arise.
 
A beautiful blued model 36 was my original backup gun on and off the job, which, regrettably, I sold about 20 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20.

Now a 642-1 has taken its place for pocket or AIWB carry in the walking around area within a mile or so of my semi-rural home.

Once I step foot into the 4Runner or have reason to think more firepower might be called for, I reach for something with more capacity.

The 642-1 is a handy Airweight for its role. ;)

I have a lot more control over where I choose to engage in my retirement activities than when I was working, and it also factors into my daily planning that we moved to a more rural area after retirement.

If my normal plans for my daily activities is going to take me places where I suspect there's a greater threat assessment involved, meaning perhaps the potential for more than 1 or 2 threats, I break out one of my belt guns. Sometimes just because I may feel like it, and because I spent at least my fair share of range time over the years, as an instructor, working with those belt guns. ;)

I appreciate the increased capacity of newer pistols, especailly for "working" roles, but I'm not quite as "capacity-centric" as some folks. Some of my favorite pistols only have mag capacities of 6-9rds.

As a matter of fact, the highest capacity pistol I own only uses 12rd magazines, and I've got quite a lot of the 10rd version, just in case they ever decide to remove the exemption for retired peace officers retaining formerly purchased hi-cap mags in this state. ;) (This is presuming we don't ever decide to move out-of-state, of course.)
 
I must say that I found the video not to be relevant to reality of every day carry ny everyday people. There are many folks who carry with othe than Glock or a 9mm. I am one.

I have simple criteria for a carry gun. It has to be reliable, accurate from a build perspective, and be loaded with ammo that will go bang and do serious damage to the BG.

I understand that a lot of people like Glocks. I do not share that. For me ergonomics of the gun in hand are critical to liking the gun. I have found my M&P, Ruger, and Remington to be better for me.
 
My Sheriff's Office now carries Glocks. When I worked, we had nothing but S&W. First revolvers, than pistols.
 
Glocks are fine weapons. I'd like to get a Glock 19 and would be willing to carry it. But there are also lots of other fine weapons that I'd also like to get and would be willing to carry. Lots of other fine weapons that have been successfully used for defense of self and others.

One question I do have, though, is how many of those instructors are carrying Glocks because that's what their students use? If an instructor sees a lot of students using Glocks, for whatever reasons, wouldn't it make sense for an instructor to use the same gun to maintain consistency (assuming, of course, it's a quality gun that the instructor trusts)?
 
I found it interesting that all those super-duper instructors are carrying modified Glocks (3 had "bone stock Glocks"). I'll stick with either my PPS with 124gr HSTs or my M&P in 357Sig. Can't hit much with a Glock, and to me the ability to reliably hit what you aim at in combination with the weapon going bang with each trigger pull are the only real criteria for the weapon.

Just for the sake of argument, I'll bet that if you DECIDED you were going to shoot a Glock and spent enough time doing so, you would get just as good as with your PPS. ;)


Take into consideration that most of these instructors have never actually been in a armed confrontation, what kind of experience is that to draw from?

Couldn't the same be said of almost everyone on the forum? Yet we don't speak of each others knowledge or experience as irrelevant, do we?

One question I do have, though, is how many of those instructors are carrying Glocks because that's what their students use? If an instructor sees a lot of students using Glocks, for whatever reasons, wouldn't it make sense for an instructor to use the same gun to maintain consistency (assuming, of course, it's a quality gun that the instructor trusts)?

While I can see an instructor having a certain gun on hand because they have learned it's a favorite of students, I don't see any logic in that affecting their choice of CARRY weapon.
 
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I'm not a professional pistolero. Just someone that likes to shoot. I have Glock's, S&W's, Sig's, and a Taurus (ouch).

IMO, at least with the Gen 3/Gen 4 Glocks (except the 42/42), buying a Glock is like buying a Honda Civic or Honda CR-V.

Mid-priced. Reliable and usable out of the box. Seen people writing about running 80K rounds or more through them with basic maintenance no problem. Lots of after market upgrades available if you want. If you have any mechanical ability at all, you can rebuild a Glock with a Glock tool/punch, a sight tool, and some long-nose pliers. Out of a vice it will shoot 4" groups at 25 yards. Pretty much any kind of holster you would want.

Not a BMW. Not a Yugo. A reliable "in between."
 
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Sounds like a Glock commercial ..

Interesting the military didn't think Glock was the best ..

The SMU's did pick Glocks and probably actually use them way more than any line unit would. Seemed to be good enough for the FBI too.

Didn't the Army think the best pistol ended up being one that ND'd when it was dropped just right from waist height?
 
Sounds like a Glock commercial ..

Interesting the military didn't think Glock was the best ..

That's not quite accurate. The Marines are purchasing Glocks.

The SEALS opted for Glocks. FBI, (admittedly not military),...Glocks.

And right after the Army selected Sig the company had a huge amount of bad press for issues with their new system which are still in the process of being addressed.

So, as I mentioned in my first post...the perfect gun is yet to be built...regardless of the name on the frame or slide.

ETA: I was typing my reply while Ziggy was posting just above.
 
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many times Glock is the pistol of choice because of its price and no other reason .. any way to save a buck is how contracts are given in this day when down sizing and tax reduction is the ruse of many cities ..

Price enters into the equation but please, as cynical as I am, don't tell me that the firearm doesn't have to pass muster. That's just not the case.
 
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