what to do if im in this situation again?

A messed up quote from Jaws - "We're gonna need a bigger boat." You're gonna need a bigger pistol.

You can make noise with a .44 as well as a 9mm, probably better.

A 4" .44 is easy enough to pack and when the ball drops, it's a lot more useful than a 9. Loaded with heavy cast bullets, you can pick any spot and shoot it and be assured of penetration - and you have 5 more waiting behind to do it again as needed.

All here admire your ethics, but remember - it's better to be around to face the music than to follow "what's right" and die for it.
 
The title of your post asks what to do if you're in that situation again. The answer is, you kill that bear; don't wound him and let him go on his way to endanger someone else. You seem to feel angst over having shot the bear at all. Suppose he'd happened on a Cub Scout troop later and taken out his pain and anger on them. He seems to be a threat to the community. I don't understand why no one has killed him yet.
 
The title of your post asks what to do if you're in that situation again. The answer is, you kill that bear; don't wound him and let him go on his way to endanger someone else. You seem to feel angst over having shot the bear at all. Suppose he'd happened on a Cub Scout troop later and taken out his pain and anger on them. He seems to be a threat to the community. I don't understand why no one has killed him yet.

There is no community where i hunt. There are 3 maybe 4people that actually hunt there and the occasional logging crew or fourwheeler rider goes through there, maybe a core drill group every now and then. He would have to travel a LONG LONG way to get to any civilization.
 
I've had bears come partway up to my treestand on multiple occasions. They don't see well and often are just trying to get a better look at something that is out of place. However, your bear sounds extra aggressive. Given the remoteness of the area you are in, just take care of business and eliminate him. If you shoot and then involve the wildlife folks around here, you'll get your butt in a wringer for a long time - what proof do you have of threat, etc. Just don't do the job halfway and make a bad situation worse. Oh, and if you want a noisemaker, carry an air horn - or upgrade to a capable handgun.;)
 
Has anyone ever heard of or seen a black bear act like this?

Because I used to take canoe trips in Northern Ontario quite often (not in Govt. Parks) and wasn't allowed any type of Firearm for defense I studied Bears just to learn all I could so I would at least be armed with knowledge.

I read every book and article I could get my hands on for years and talked to Wildlife Biologists as well as quite a few trappers, usually while I was on Bear hunting trips, to get their take on things.

I eventually came to one solid conclusion about Bear behavior, and that is, the only thing we can predict about a Bear is that they are totally unpredictable..........
 
here are pictures of the big bear below where i hunt, and yes, thats a 24 oz pepsi bottle. ive never seen one that was perfectly round with no neck and that tall, he looked like a fourwheeler coming through the woods.

If the bear left that bottle, can't you shoot him for littering?
 
My opinion for what it is worth:

Handle such a situation as described in the same manner if it were a human.

The idea is to stop aggression. A bear can kill you just as dead as a human. I feel taking the life of a bear is far better than taking the life of a person.

Personally I would not hesitate to kill any aggressive animal and have done so on a Doberman dog. I would also not carry a 9mm into an area known to have bear, wolves, coyotes, cougars or any of several other potentially dangerous animals. A .357 or .44 mag, .45acp or .50 cal would be warranted.
 
the reason i carry the little 9mm isnt for black bears. its pretty rare to actually have one get close enough up there to be a problem. usually the noise runs them off. and id rather drop a 160 dollar gun out of my treestand than a 500+ gun. i carry it as a noise maker not as a means of protection. I never expected to have to shoot that bear and if clipping him with it didnt run him off then my bow would have dropped him dead. Thats a reason i carry the 115gr round nose too, probably not going to hurt something. I guess all things considered i would be just as good carrying firecrackers. :rolleyes: I should probably buy a bigger gun.


what part of virginia are we talking about that this critter inhabits?
 
Wasp spray often works better on bears (and people) than mace or pepper spray and is easier to find. I would have either screwed it in his eye or ear if I was going try to shoot a bear with a 9mm. By wounding him he's likely to become even more agressive.
 
A black bear......... yes, a black bear those big goofy things I usually scream at or clap my hands and they run off..... climbed my tree almost completely up to my treestand. I couldnt tell if it was rabid or what but I've never been that scared in my life. When it first came up I just hollered at it and it paused then came on up anyway. I pulled out my pistol and shot up into the air and it didnt phase him at all. He eventually got right under my stand off to the left side and I was afraid it was coming on up with me.

J, would you happen to know if the berry or mast crops failed in that area this year?
Basically would a Bear be deprived of it's normal / natural food source in that area??

I have heard of behavior quite similar to what you described in the above quote happening before. In fact, I saw a video taken by a Michigander up in Canada dealing with a Bear that behaved in a somewhat similar fashion, although in the case of the Michigan man the "attack", which took place on the ground in very thick timber, ended after he backed down into a nearby Lake........

Here's the experts theory behind why a Black Bear acts the way in which you described, which they, the experts, describe as a "test stalk / attack."

Black Bears have been known to use people as a source of food if their natural supply isn't available, when they do they are usually hunted down and killed, so, because of this the trait of "people as food" isn't passed down from one generation to the next. When a Black Bear gets to the point that they have to eat something else, in this case us, they aren't sure if we are food or not, or aren't sure they can easily take us down. These "test stalks / attacks" are the Bear's way of testing us to see how we will react and are usually not the typical charge, or stalk and ambush they would normally use when after prey they are familiar with.

These "tests" are usually slow & methodical with the Bear closing the distance over time. In the case of the Michigan man he would yell at the Bear, which would then stop, look at him, sniff the air, then start to slowly move closer. As I mentioned that "attack" took place on the ground in woods so thick that the Bear was climbing over down tree limbs etc., which didn't help the guy backing away any I can tell you that. The guy who filmed this behavior probably saved his life because he kept doing all the right things, he stayed as face to face with the Bear as he could, made a lot of noise and most important, didn't try to run, which could have provoked a full out attack.

When a Bear starts acting like this around people, for whatever reason, there is a good chance someone is eventually going to get hurt. Picture what might happen if someone, who is unarmed, took a child, or grandchild out for a walk in the woods and came across such a Bear, one who is obviously unafraid of humans, once again, for whatever reason.

In one "Killer Bear" case where humans were used as a source of food the Black Bear was hunted down and killed and it was found to have some Porqupine Quills imbedded in the roof of it's mouth. Some of these Quills had worked their way up into the Bear's brain so not only couldn't it feed properly, it was probably a little angry at the world in general. You just never know..........
 
For at least the rest of this season you should consider a new hunting area where there have been no bear sightings reported. The local DNA and/or Fish and Game should be able to define those areas. Clearly you do not have the mind set required to do what may need to be done should you have a like same encounter. The next time you may be required to make a life or death split second decision. Predicated upon your comments it isn't clear that you can kill the animal without hesitation due to your confused moral convictions. Attempting to relay on your bow as a secondary weapon should your pea shooter 9mm fail is a poor plan at best. What type of shot angle to you think you may have once the bear has hold of one of your feet or pant legs? IMHO going into country where there have been bear sightings armed with a 9mm is irresponsible. Wounding an animal with an undersized weapon or wounding an animal to ward off and attack then not following up to dispatch the animal is again irresponsible. You never mentioned some important facts like: were you down wind, up wind or cross wind from the bear when it came in. Did he pace back and forth or swing his head from side to side before he climbed the tree? Was the bear grunting, huffing & puffing or snapping his teeth when he came up the tree toward you? It might be well advised that you speak with the local DNR bear biologist who can educate you in various bear behaviors exhibited during an encounter with a human. This would certainly help you to clearly understand the bear's intentions in the event that you do have another encounter. Do yourself a favor and purchase a .44 mag and some hard cast 240 gr. lead full power loads along with a good secure holster.
 
What if you shoot a deer? Old Yogi might slip up on you while you're occupied with your kill and you might be history. I doubt he's going to let you carry that carcass out of there. If an animal (or human) stalks you, it needs killing. It will stalk someone else. Carry a bit of Elmer Keith influence on your hip.
 
For at least the rest of this season you should consider a new hunting area where there have been no bear sightings reported. The local DNA and/or Fish and Game should be able to define those areas. Clearly you do not have the mind set required to do what may need to be done should you have a like same encounter. The next time you may be required to make a life or death split second decision. Predicated upon your comments it isn't clear that you can kill the animal without hesitation due to your confused moral convictions. Attempting to relay on your bow as a secondary weapon should your pea shooter 9mm fail is a poor plan at best. What type of shot angle to you think you may have once the bear has hold of one of your feet or pant legs? IMHO going into country where there have been bear sightings armed with a 9mm is irresponsible. Wounding an animal with an undersized weapon or wounding an animal to ward off and attack then not following up to dispatch the animal is again irresponsible. You never mentioned some important facts like: were you down wind, up wind or cross wind from the bear when it came in. Did he pace back and forth or swing his head from side to side before he climbed the tree? Was the bear grunting, huffing & puffing or snapping his teeth when he came up the tree toward you? It might be well advised that you speak with the local DNR bear biologist who can educate you in various bear behaviors exhibited during an encounter with a human. This would certainly help you to clearly understand the bear's intentions in the event that you do have another encounter. Do yourself a favor and purchase a .44 mag and some hard cast 240 gr. lead full power loads along with a good secure holster.

Sir, i really hope you dont think that i intended on letting that bear get close enough to grab ahold of me. Had he not turned when he did i would have gladly dropped him. for the record though the bear was making a "doof" sound the whole time he was watching me, he was also stalking two does and when they took off he must have smelled me in my tree. There are no moral convictions on my part I just felt bad that I had to shoot him, and its really hard to stop and think when you have a bear climbing up at you. Thank you for your insight and the criticism is happily taken. As an outsider looking in i would have probably said the same things you have.Thing is, these bears are usually just curious and like i said i am usually able to shoo them off pretty easily, they dont have MUCH human contact "despite this guy that has apparently been extremely busy" thats why i was so taken aback by his actions. Last year I took pictures of a sow below my treestand that was pretty much just trying to figure out what i was.
 
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I'm guessin there is a season for Black Bear and one for deer there. We have an early bear an they are huntable during any other regular season.

i hunt there out of state and am not allowed to shoot bear, well unless they are trying to eat me of course. They had just recently opened up a bear season there and i think in 2 years there have been maybe 5 bear killed.
 
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