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DEFINITELY not a German Shorthair!
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What type of dog is this?
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Two Dimensional Flat Hound
Rats!! You beat me to it. He is a Two Dimensional Flat Hound.
We have placemats with his cousin embroidered on them!
OP
My best trained dog
Always on target
Always on target
mwtdvm
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Tail Dock
GSHP and GWHP all have their tails docked, which is obviously not the case here...
If you look at some of the paintings of English Thoroughbreds from the 17 and 1800's you will see that the stylized paintings bear no true resemblance to a real horse.
The engraver hopefully did better work later in his career....
GSHP and GWHP all have their tails docked, which is obviously not the case here...
If you look at some of the paintings of English Thoroughbreds from the 17 and 1800's you will see that the stylized paintings bear no true resemblance to a real horse.
The engraver hopefully did better work later in his career....
quneur
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I vote English Pointer but what's it's Name??
Elhew Gun Metal Bob. Okay, not Bob but something close.
Remember - the Artist has the image in his head and only he/she can know what it really is!! I don't think you have to be good to be called an Artist.
I can say that is is NOT any kind of a Setter!
It sort of looks like a Pointer, but most gun dogs don't stand that way normally - so my guess is the person who created it was a "Poor Artist" unless he was using "Artistic License".
Pete
Alright, it is a transgender no ethnic origin mutt of some kind
Not found in the AKC registry or elsewhere, it's a dog pretty sure it is not a cat.
Not found in the AKC registry or elsewhere, it's a dog pretty sure it is not a cat.
COL Jagdog
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Remember - the Artist has the image in his head and only he/she can know what it really is!! I don't think you have to be good to be called an Artist.
I can say that is is NOT any kind of a Setter!
It sort of looks like a Pointer, but most gun dogs don't stand that way normally - so my guess is the person who created it was a "Poor Artist" unless he was using "Artistic License".
Pete
Definitely not a setter -- Pete99004 and I both have setters
(his are Irish, mine are English).
Not a GSP (German short-hair)
It is a "stylized" rendering of an English Pointer(most likely) -- the topline is off and that is not a stance normally seen with a pointer.
Considering the nationality of the engraver, who may have seen pointers in Hungary, Austria, Bulgaria, Slovakia (all areas with hunting traditions) -- it may be a local variation of pointers seen there. Which might explain why it is standing funny -- good news is that it is pointing towards the front of the gun.
OP
Pointing at the ducks on the other side (Must be a "Bird Dog")
Here is the Baker with its Ithaca cousin (game scene in the flat oblong area above and to left of trigger):
Here is the Baker with its Ithaca cousin (game scene in the flat oblong area above and to left of trigger):
Engraved K9's from that era on American shotguns usually take the generic form of either a setter,,or a pointer.
Ocassionally other easily identified breeds.
(Birds are even tougher to ID in most cases)
The surrounding scene composed of hills, fields, grass, trees, ect, often further gives hints to the breed.
Trying to break it down to which breed of pointer or setter is often strictly in the eye of the beholder (owner). Apparently much wasn't made of the wandering visual likenesses from the strict AKC mugshots then.
I don't think it was until the 1970's or so was the demand to engrave the exact breed w/proper markings and minor characteristics started to come about.
Perhaps a bit earlier,,but for the most part it was "Put a couple setters on the bottom of the action" till then.
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"The engraver was Rudolph Kornbrath from Austria ,,,"
"It sort of looks like a Pointer, but most gun dogs don't stand that way normally - so my guess is the person who created it was a "Poor Artist" unless he was using "Artistic License".
"The engraver hopefully did better work later in his career...."
FWIW..The above three remarks would start quite an entertaining thread on any one of the vintage American firearms discussion sites..!
Ocassionally other easily identified breeds.
(Birds are even tougher to ID in most cases)
The surrounding scene composed of hills, fields, grass, trees, ect, often further gives hints to the breed.
Trying to break it down to which breed of pointer or setter is often strictly in the eye of the beholder (owner). Apparently much wasn't made of the wandering visual likenesses from the strict AKC mugshots then.
I don't think it was until the 1970's or so was the demand to engrave the exact breed w/proper markings and minor characteristics started to come about.
Perhaps a bit earlier,,but for the most part it was "Put a couple setters on the bottom of the action" till then.
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"The engraver was Rudolph Kornbrath from Austria ,,,"
"It sort of looks like a Pointer, but most gun dogs don't stand that way normally - so my guess is the person who created it was a "Poor Artist" unless he was using "Artistic License".
"The engraver hopefully did better work later in his career...."
FWIW..The above three remarks would start quite an entertaining thread on any one of the vintage American firearms discussion sites..!
doublesharp
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pre-elsie pointer.
OP
Whatever it is, this pooch makes me think of doing good things outdoors with family and friends.
Fishslayer
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COL Jagdog
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I have a tapestry with a bunch of them playing poker...
I have the same tapestry, slightly embellished:
It's dogs playing poker, with all of the disciples also at the table and Elvis sitting with the disciples -- talk about artistic license by the Korean tapestry maker -- covers all of the popular genres of those decorative tapestries
You beat me to it, definately a "Sooner" I used to raise them.
for those that aren't familiar with the breed, these dogs would sooner poop on the floor than go outside, " Sooner ".
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