What was Smith's first 7-round revolver?

[snowman]

Like many others around here, I peruse Gunbroker periodically to see what's currently available in their listings. Occasionally I will find errors in the seller's descriptions. Often I will politely point these out to the seller, because it seems to me that credibility is an important part of being a reputable, and therefore successful seller(What kind of person doesn't want to know if they are giving false information to potential buyers?).

Yesterday I ran across an auction for a 586-7, which was presented as a limited run model from 2004. The description went on to make the following statement:

"This is the first production 7-shot revolver ever made by Smith&Wesson."


Being the owner of two 686+ models, I was fairly confident that that statement was incorrect. So I wrote a short email to the seller informing him/her of the error. He/she responded as follows:

"I am just going on what Supica and Nahas say in their book on page 249. They differenciate between "regular production" models and your guns which I believe were "performance center" models. Anyway thanks for the input, I will add the words "regular procuction" to my add to make it even more accurate."


Unfortunately I don't currently own a copy of the book and so couldn't check what was said on page 249. But fortunately I know a bunch of folks who can -you folks. If someone has a spare minute or two, could you clear this matter up? I know of course that my 686+s are regular production models and not PC. I informed the seller of this and said I would get back with him/her.

Thank you for helping out.
Andy

 

[SmithNut]

It might be the first L frame.....

But not the first 7 shot.
Or the first 38/357 with 7 shot cylinder.

Back in 1852, the Model 1 was produced with a 7 shot cylinder.

Actually, it's not the first L frame or 38/357, as you point out the M686+ was introduced in the mid 90's.

Maybe he means it's the first M586 (blue) L frame 7 shot model introduced in 2004, kinda splitting hairs......

 

[VM]

Andy - I may be wrong but I think S&W made a seven shot 22 cal revolver in the late 1800's or early 1900's

 

[VM]

Thanks SmithNut - you beat me to the punch

I know you like sales fliers - lets see it for that early seven shot!!

 

[SmithNut]

I know you like sales fliers - lets see it for that early seven shot!!

VM,
Wow, talk about pressure.... I can't step up to that challenge - sorry.
Maybe I could photoshop something, did they have stocking dealers back then? (no, not talking about tube socks )

 

[diamonback68]

Maybe I could photoshop something, did they have stocking dealers back then? (no, not talking about tube socks )

Rob, you just gotta cover your bases with this crowd don't you or they will pick up on EVERYTHING!

Informative thread too, thanks guys.

 

[VM]

VM,
Wow, talk about pressure.... I can't step up to that challenge - sorry.
Maybe I could photoshop something, did they have stocking dealers back then? (no, not talking about tube socks )

Dude - you let me down!
And no cheating with your RG model/conversioned Photo-shop-arama

 

[18DAI]

IIRC, the PC 586-5 L-comp was the first blue 7-shot L frame from S&W.

 

[SmithNut]

And no cheating with your RG model/conversioned Photo-shop-arama

Man, that was a classic.....

How about this?

 

[VM]

Rob - you got too much time on your hands.
SWEET Flyer - good job!

 

[jeremyws1]

"Not +P compatible"...I can't stop laughing.

 

[VM]

"Not +P compatible"...I can't stop laughing.

Jeremy - hows about "telegraph for more details"?

 

[jeremyws1]

"Better than a Partridge in a pear tree"...You are killing me, Rob.

 

[snowman]

Well, I certainly don't mind if you fellows have some fun together. But may I break in and ask the question again? I guess I didn't make things clear.

I know that the statement in the auction description is incorrect, by virtue of the fact that the 686+'s I own are earlier guns. The seller has told me that he/she obtained his/her information from SCSW, pg. 249. Since the statement in the description is incorrect, I'm thinking that the seller must have misread the book. What I'm requesting here is that someone look that reference up and let me know what the authors actually said. Would that be possible?

Thanks again, friends.
Andy

 

[SmithNut]

Since you asked so nicely....

Here's your first quote in the first post:
"This is the first production 7-shot revolver ever made by Smith&Wesson."

Sorry to say, myself and others were responding to this, which is in-fact incorrect.

Here's what page 249 says, to the word:

"In October of 2004 S&W released a 7-shot version with 4" and 6" full-lug barrel lengths with red ramp front sight and white outline rear sight. This is the first standard production 7-shot in this model other than the L Comp in 2000 from the Performance Center. Approximately 300 manufactured"

Note the emphasis on "in this model", which changes the whole context of the original statement.

Hope this helps, and thanks for letting us have some fun.

 

[snowman]

Thanks, SmithNut, that's exactly what I need. In the eternal(or even here and now) scheme of things, all this is quite trivial. But I like to think that I'll be helping the seller in some significant way here.

Andy

 

[BlackSky]

First or not the 586-7's are sweet. Here's mine...