Wheelweights still the best?

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Folks, I'm thinking of dusting off my casting equipment and scrounging some wheelweights. Are they still the best for casting? This of course will be in lower velocity stuff for .38Spec. and .44Mag..
Also what are some of you paying out there for a 5 gallon pail?
 
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Folks, I'm thinking of dusting off my casting equipment and scrounging some wheelweights. Are they still the best for casting? This of course will be in lower velocity stuff for .38Spec. and .44Mag..
Also what are some of you paying out there for a 5 gallon pail?
 
When lead prices were high last year I had a hard time finding wheel weights at any price. Now things have changed and a distributor gave me a 5 gallon bucket because to him it was not worth the price of gas to recycle it.

I'll still pay $20 when I have to but have been finding a few willing to take $10 for a full bucket.

I also have a print shop that every now and again comes up with 10-15 pounds of Linotype and a few plumbers/remodelers that save lead pipe for me. I have taken to mixing 1 part soft lead to 3 parts wheel weights for stuff under 1100 FPS.
 
About 15 years ago, when I started casting, I also started collection wheel weights. Drove my wife nuts. I now have about 12-15 hundred lbs of the stuff, eithe as weights or already melted down, fluxed and poured into ingots. Thats in addition to what I used.

With the velocities I shoot at, under 1100fps, ww's are still the best for most of us. For those who want quite a bit more velocity, then harder bullets are called for.

Me? I'll stay with ww's.
 
99.9999999% (get the point?) of what I shoot can be done with bullets that are cast with straight wheel weights.
For the other .00000001% I mix Linotype with wheel weights to get the BHN up into the 16-18BHN area for velocities into the 1800fps range from my pistol caliber carbines.

I get almost no leading at that velocity with plain base bullets with deep square grease grooves.

As for your question about bucket cost, I usually get mine for free. I have a company truck that I take to a place that is a tire store. When I get it serviced they always seem to leave their wheel weights in the back for some reason!
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When lead started to skyrocket I switched to range lead for 38 special and 45acp.

3000+ rounds later I can say that it works great for those rounds. It's all I shoot in USPSA L10 and IDPA CDP
 
In my experience, when I use straight wheelweights I have trouble with the mould not filling out completely. If I add a touch of tin in some form, it makes the mould fill out easier and I get significantly fewer rejects. Adding more than 2% tin, however, is a waste of tin (which is more expensive than the lead). I usually add solder to bring up my tin content. A lot of the new plumbing solder has a very high tin content and it is easy to use, since most of the time it comes in wire form on a roll. Just unroll the wire and split it up to whatever amount you want to add per pot of wheelweights. Even a 0.5% of tin added will surprise you as to how much easier the bullets cast. I usually find it best to calculate how much you want to add per pot, make a pot full with tin, cast it into ingots, then make another pot full and cast it into ingots too. Keep making ingots of your bullet material until you run out of tin. Be sure to mark your ingots in some way so you don't confuse them with ingots that don't have tin added. If you try to just make your wheelweight and tin mix one pot at a time and then cast it into bullets, it will be hard to keep your tin content constant. You will find yourself adding wheelweights to some of the alloy that already has tin in it, then you won't know how much solder to add to keep your mix constant. An inconsistent mix will give you inconsistent bullets, and will waste tin.

I used to try to mark my ingots of wheelweight/tin alloy with a magic marker, but I found the stuff would fade or get wiped off. Now I make my straight wheelweight ingots using a standard Lyman ingot mould, but make my alloy ingots using a different ingot mold. I found an old cast iron mould used to bake cornbread into small round shapes (at least that is what I think it is supposed to be used for.) I use it to make my ingots of alloy. With their different shape, they can't be confused with my straight wheelweight ingots.
 
I use a set of metal stamps from Harbor Freight, that cost less than $10, to mark my ingots. Pb is "pure" lead, WW is wheel weights, Sn is tin and RS is range scrap.

I normally cast a 50/50 mix of clip-on to stick-on wheel weights and add 1 ounce of chilled shot per 5# of alloy for the arsenic content, just in case I want to heat treat the alloy. I rarely add tin to the alloy, because I don't have any problems filling out the moulds. Preheating the mould prior to use may have something to do with the way they fill out.

Skip has shot some of my mix and I didn't hear any complaints about them being too soft.
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In my experience, when I use straight wheelweights I have trouble with the mould not filling out completely.

One zinc wheel weight can wreak havoc with a pot of metal. Like Paul, I have never had problems with my mix when using wheel weights in most of my molds. It just seems to be the Lee round nose ones. Pressure casting on some make it work, others not.

It depends on how much I want to fool with it when I start a casting session if I continue with those molds. Some days I just quit, others I work it out.

As to Paul's bullets; they are almost as good as my own!
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For most of what I shoot, softer & bigger is better. Pistol caliber rifle rounds, bigger harder is better.
 
I have about 800 lbs. of wheel weights which are reserved for high velocity .30-30 and .308 which are always loaded with gas checks. I find that I can get 2400 FPS with excellent accuracy in the .30-30 and tests are looking very positive in my M1A. Oh, and I also use quenched wheel weights when casting for high pressure .45 Colt. The majority of my casting is for 38 Special, .45 ACP and moderate .45 Colt loads. Common range scrap mixed with lead pipe works just fine, though the weight of the finished product needs to be monitored closely.

Dave Sinko
 
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