When Dogs Appeared, Prehistorically

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Saw some articles on the Net this week about when wolves or wolf - like animals appeared in company with humans.

Scientists argue, but what I think is the best theory has them dating from about 35,000 years ago, in western Europe. Various breeds are more recent, as civilzation increased.

I thought the many dog lovers here might be interested.
 
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Growing up, I had a half German Shepherd/ half Red Wolf mix. He was Loyal, mean, fast, and wild! He turned out to be a sucker for Oreo cookies too. Living domestic, he lasted 14 years, while his wild cousins lived 4 or 5 years if the were lucky. A book on wolves said the Red Wolf, was the stock that Coyotes came from. They look like Coyotes on steroids. If surrounded by wolves, as a last ditch effort you could try the Oreo trick, but I wouldn't bet on it. Ivan
 
I read somewhere that in prehistoric times the wolves hung around the human encampments and served as garbage collectors. After a long time they became more docile and evolved into dogs. Sounds reasonable to me. :)
 
I'll buy into that theory, bones thrown over the shoulder beiing eaten by wild wolves. I can see where sooner or later a more docile wolf would work his way closer to the free meal and eventually take it right from a hand, which over time might lead to a close bond. I had a puppy that was given to me by a breeder of a type of husky, he called her a throwback to the original wild dog and told me that they were supposed to kill these puppies to purify the breed. He felt it was b.s. and offered her to me on the grounds that I would never get papers on her even through she was a purebred huskey. I kept her for quite a few years, she was never really what you would call tame, she would come by you and let you lay a hand on her but on in passing sort of flirt. She never lay right at my feet but always a little way off, she was a nice dog never cur like or surly. I built her a nice insulated dog house, she rarely went inside. When she got pregnant she dug a little cave under the dog house and when she had the puppies she would toss them down under the house and roll them around in the dirt to dry them off, they were the best damn puppies I didn't have any problem getting rid of them, everybody wanted one of them little buggers.
Just about every area on the world has its wild dog that is eventually found living with people, the Aussies have their dingo, the Asians have their red dog...oddly the only wild cat that has been readily trained to live with people is the most dog-like of all cats, the Cheetah.
 
If there is more interest

Dmitri K. Belyaev, a Russian scientist, may be the man most responsible for our understanding of the process by which wolves were domesticated into our canine companions. Dogs began making for themselves a social niche within human culture as early as 12,000 years ago in the Middle East. But Belyaev didn’t study dogs or wolves; his research focused instead on foxes. What might foxes be able to tell us about the domestication of dogs?

Man?s new best friend? A forgotten Russian experiment in fox domestication | Guest Blog, Scientific American Blog Network
 
Many years ago on a slow deer hunting day I shot 3 coyotes.

There had been press releases by the Missouri Dept of Conservation about Red Wolves, don't shoot them.

LAter that same day I saw what I believed to be a coyote running up a trail out of a holler to the wooded ridge. It was going to come right by a huge Oak I was using for cover.

It scented me at about 10 feet and froze in it's tracks. It slowly moved it's eyes. located me and then slowly moved it's head up to make eye contact.

It was larger than a coyote, it had lots of red in it's coat. I knew it was the wolf.

I was not going to shoot anyway as evening was approaching.

Our eyes were locked, the wolf had a funny or quizical look. I did not move, it slowly turned and walked away, stopping every few feet to look back at me. When it got to about 25' away it turned on the afterburners and ran like the wind.

He looked a lot like a heinz 57 farm dog I had as a kid. I could see the wolf become trained.
 
Nova (PBS) did a report on the evolution of wolves into dogs. Based on genetic testing the transformation took place a lot more recently, about 15,000 years ago. It also started in what is today Northern China and they spread very quickly because they were so useful.

Wolves hanging around human dumps outside any settlements had a source of food they didn't have to work very hard for or risk injury. Those less prone to flee at the presence of a human tended to get the best pickings and those who fled as soon as a human appeared only got minimal scraps. The theory is that Wolves with a shorter "flight distance" were selectively reinforced by a higher survival rate, so that distance grew shorter with each generation. What is really interesting is that experiments on wild foxes indicates that selectively breeding for less aggression can transform a raw wild fox into something very like a small dog in just 4 generations. What is really a bit freaky is that by breeding for less aggression a whole host of other genetic effects show up. Color changes to lighter colors show up, the tail rises and takes on a distinct curl and in some cases even the ears changed to a typical "dog ear" with a soft tip. End result is that after 4 generations what you see only looks somewhat like a fox. They think that exact same process happened with wolves and it likely happened in less than 100 years.
 
I read somewhere that in prehistoric times the wolves hung around the human encampments and served as garbage collectors. After a long time they became more docile and evolved into dogs. Sounds reasonable to me. :)

I'll bet that was slim pickins in those days!
Steve W
 
Nova (PBS) did a report on the evolution of wolves into dogs. Based on genetic testing the transformation took place a lot more recently, about 15,000 years ago. It also started in what is today Northern China and they spread very quickly because they were so useful.

Wolves hanging around human dumps outside any settlements had a source of food they didn't have to work very hard for or risk injury. Those less prone to flee at the presence of a human tended to get the best pickings and those who fled as soon as a human appeared only got minimal scraps. The theory is that Wolves with a shorter "flight distance" were selectively reinforced by a higher survival rate, so that distance grew shorter with each generation. What is really interesting is that experiments on wild foxes indicates that selectively breeding for less aggression can transform a raw wild fox into something very like a small dog in just 4 generations. What is really a bit freaky is that by breeding for less aggression a whole host of other genetic effects show up. Color changes to lighter colors show up, the tail rises and takes on a distinct curl and in some cases even the ears changed to a typical "dog ear" with a soft tip. End result is that after 4 generations what you see only looks somewhat like a fox. They think that exact same process happened with wolves and it likely happened in less than 100 years.


I missed that show, but the new stuff on the Web shows that dogs first originated in Western Europe thousands of years before the Asiatic events, which had been presumed to be the origin.

At a remote USAF radar site in Newfoundland years ago, we sometimes fed an Arctic fox that came quite close. I was careful never to get my fingers too close, but some guys took serious chances. Something like that could well have been the origin of the dog. Also, foxes (genus Vulpes) are less threatening to people than are wolves, Canis lupus.

Over the centuries, wolves have freqently eaten people, even whole villages in Russia, etc. Never heard of much trouble from foxes, other than rabid animals and that grey fox that I mentioned in another topic that almost attacked me. It was certainly habituated to humans to a degree, and it didn't like people! Other foxes encountered in the same area just gave me a wide berth and I did the same for them.

The famed Beast of Gevaudan was either a wolf or a wolf- dog cross that looked wolfish. It terrorized French peasants in the 18th Century, giving rise to the tale of Little Red Riding Hood.

Some think the coyotes that killed the Canadian folk singer Taylor Mitchell were crossed with wolves. I'd buy into that more readily, but have read that wolves usually kill coyotes. Nor do I think that coyotes need wolf blood to kill people if conditions encourage them.
 
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I'll bet that was slim pickins in those days!
Steve W

Not always. If cave men had run a herd of horses or mammoths over a cliff or just killed a few big animals, they would have had abundant food. Probably couldn't smoke or dry all the meat.

I'm sure that by the time that the Clovis & Folsom point men were killing bison in the USA, they had dogs that had crossed the land bridge with them from Asia. But some men were more apt to have dogs than others.

It would be interesting to know if the Indians savaged by proto Aztecs and eaten after capture had dogs and if the dogs would attack outsiders. Maybe those cave dwellers couldn't keep dogs and live as they did.

The Aztecs did discover war dogs in the form of Spanish mastiffs with Cortes. I'm sure the results weren't pretty. The huge mastiffs were hardly like the chihuahuas the Aztecs raised for food!
 
We have our own pariah wild dogs,the"Carolina Dog".They are still feral in some areas such as The Savannah River Nuclear Plant area.DNA testing shows there closest relative is the Australian Dingo.Nice looking dogs and Google will fill you in on some interesting features.
 
The Carolina Dog is also still found in the wild in unmutated (non-interbred) form in the wilds of middle SC. A current fear is this pure-bred canine species will disappear shortly because of the coyotes spreading into the SE US. Genetic testing has proved these dogs to be closely related to the Australian Dingo, the Wild Dog of Africa, and the Jindo of Korea. They are a marvelous example of wild nature at work, undisturbed by man's interactions. Some examples have been incorporated into a domesticated breeding and sales program.
 
A family member is a bio/anthropology major; all dogs are descended from the wolf. They've been selectively bred for some thousands of years. But that's where they come from.
 
It's easy to surmise that a den of wolves gets run off, and the pups taken in by humanoids as pups, and the process starts.

When I say run off, I mean a litter either abandoned because say fire, or the wolf pack winds up tangling with other animals/ humans which precipitate them getting far enough away from the pups that they could be collected.

It's fair to assume they would be scooped up as pups and used as a food source, and adapted as a partner animal. Much in the way sheep, goats, and all other farmed animals were brought under human controls.

One can surmise that a hungry caveman would see a wolf pup as nothing more than a hot dog on a stick............
 
Another idea could be that early Ice-Age man welcomed the more inferior/less Alpha wolves that were more eager for a scrap of hide or bone thrown their way and over time ingratiated themselves toward man and eventually found themselves a warmth giving family members of man's clan which still gave them the pack distinction they were used to.
Someone once told me that in their dreams all dogs are wolves, giving rise to the old saw about "letting sleeping dogs lie."
 
A family member is a bio/anthropology major; all dogs are descended from the wolf. They've been selectively bred for some thousands of years. But that's where they come from.

Well, I respectfully disagree...my wife has had several chihuahuas, and I know they must have descended from an especially bad tempered line of rats.
 

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