When is a scam not a scam?

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When it's an actual attempt at theft by fraud.

I awoke yesterday morning and saw an email from Verizon. The email said that my order was being prepared for shipment.

Seemed like a phishing email to me, so I checked the return address on the email carefully. It looked legit and so did the link included. To be sure I didn't click on the link, but went to what I know is the actual Verizon web address.

I logged in and sure enough, the order was there. It took me a while to hunt through the various pages and find a phone number to contact customer service.

Well, "service" by their definition, but clearly not mine.

It took two tries to get through the useless automated responses and talk to an actual person. The person told me that it was too late to stop shipment, but if I either refused to accept delivery or took delivery and sent it back unopened, they would automatically cancel the order.

Uh, that's fine, but how did the order get placed. She didn't know and couldn't tell me how to find out.

So, we ended that call and I had breakfast. While thinking about it, I decided that this should be reported to Verizon security as a fraudulent order.

So, I dialed the number, went through the automated process and got another woman with a heavy accent. She assured me that she could cancel the order and would transfer me to the security people.

She transferred me to the Verizon IGNORE THE CUSTOMER hot line where I spent 30 minutes on Hold listening to computer generated sound that was supposed to be music.

While I was waiting I logged back into the Verizon website and chose "Chat with a representative." Eventually, someone replied and gave me the direct line to Verizon Security.

This resulted in 15 minutes of Music while on Ignore before I hung up.

A third call the Verizon, back through the automated system and finally got a human. This person actually did cancel the order, gave me ticket number for the cancellation, and a separate one for the fraud report and told me that someone would follow up.

I spent some time printing to PDF all of the information about the order on the Verizon website as well as the emails the system generated. That included the UPS tracking number on the not yet shipped phone.

This morning when I woke up I had two emails informing me that the order was cancelled. Then I received a tracking update from UPS that the shipment had been returned to Verizon.

Then I received a voice mail from someone with a local number asking me if I wanted to complete the order.

Talk about one hand not knowing what the other is doing.

While typing this, I received another email that says they are looking into my billing dispute. That's because they project a $400.00 increase in my bill next month, followed by 35 payments of $41.00 a month to pay for the phone.

Which means that I have to keep a close eye on next months bill to be sure that they actually did reverse the charges.

A couple of points to consider.

1) Not every email that looks like a scam is. Read them carefully. A trick I use is to set the email to read as plain text only. That allows me to see the actual email address that sent the email. If it's a Gmail address, it's a scam.

Only once you are sure it's legit can you change your email view to HTML and click on a link. Or, if it's someone you do business with go directly to their website and log in.

2) Verizon customer service is horrible. Then again, they all are. They try to avoid letting you talk to a human as much as possible. You can say "Agent", "Representative" or press the zero button and eventually you will get there.

3) Keep records of everything, including the names of people you talk to on the phone.

4) Be patient and persistent. Since customer service is horrible, you may have to make multiple phone calls, send emails, and if you have a smart phone send texts.
 
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Speaking of scammers, DOJ just let us know that the only one of the four dirtbags who hacked our bank account that got an early release, has maybe violated the terms, and might be heading back behind bars to join his friends.

"The United States Probation Office has determined that defendant(s), ____________, has potentially violated the terms of his/her supervised release. As a result, a hearing to revoke or modify the defendant's supervised release has been scheduled for November 16, 2022, 10:00 AM, at Ctrm......."


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So in the OP's case, somebody ordered a phone on his account? What was the delivery address? Was the thief hoping to intercept the shipment in some way? Sounds like the OP's Verizon account has been compromised.

I can sympathize regarding Verizon and their customer "service" it has taken multiple phone calls to get something sorted on out account.
 
That's another odd thing. The UPS tracking information only lists my town, not my address.

Yeah, I should change my password. Probably should have done that yesterday. Thanks for the reminder.

So in the OP's case, somebody ordered a phone on his account? What was the delivery address? Was the thief hoping to intercept the shipment in some way? Sounds like the OP's Verizon account has been compromised.

I can sympathize regarding Verizon and their customer "service" it has taken multiple phone calls to get something sorted on out account.
 
You need to attend that hearing and ask to speak. Contact the officer in advance . . .

Speaking of scammers, DOJ just let us know that the only one of the four dirtbags who hacked our bank account that got an early release, has maybe violated the terms, and might be heading back behind bars to join his friends.

"The United States Probation Office has determined that defendant(s), ____________, has potentially violated the terms of his/her supervised release. As a result, a hearing to revoke or modify the defendant's supervised release has been scheduled for November 16, 2022, 10:00 AM, at Ctrm......."


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You need to attend that hearing and ask to speak. Contact the officer in advance . . .
And say what?

Though the wheels of justice moved slowly, the local investigator I worked with was a bloodhound, and the prosecutor got all four put away in federal prison. Better results than I expected.

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And they said "computers and on line ordering is the future. Safe, secure and fast. Just give us all your vital information, bank account numbers and 2 credit card numbers. We will take care of you. We don't want to see you, talk to you or reply to your concerns. Just send us your money."

I still think the old way is better.
 
I had someone (in Brooklyn) order phones twice on my AT&T online account. I told them to close my online account, kill the username and passwords associated with it. All billing and transactions were to be by paper mail only. Had no more problems after that. Online banking, etc., is a no-no for me.
 
A word of caution and warning:

I was a Verizon customer for 27 years....even before they were called Verizon. I had good service from them for the majority of that time and no significant issues when it came time to upgrade phones.

Unfortunately times change. I went through five phones in six months. Initially they helped with the problem...or rather they helped to continue the problem. The last time I went in for the issue in question, to say they were rude and nasty was an understatement and refused to help and basically told me tough cookies.

I fired them that afternoon and went with another provider which was far better and service and less expensive. They tried every dirty trick in the book to keep me from transferring my old phone number to the new provider. Long story short, I won...they lost.

I advise everyone who asks me about them to avoid them like poison and go for another provider. At this point they are IMHO nothing more than scammers themselves. I will NEVER use them again.

Forgive me for not going into a lot of detail as such would be long and pointless on this forum.
 
Friends don't let friends use Verizon. As the OP has fond out, their customer service is non-existent. I ordered a new phone from them late last year. When it came, I had a question about setting it up. After 45 minutes of listening to "your call is very important to us" and various attempts to get me to use their automated on line system, I hung up, boxed the phone back up and sent it back.

This year, they sent me an email saying I could trade in my phone for a new Samsung Galaxy 22S Ultra for $600. When I went to the link in the email, they offered me a whopping $35 for my trade in and wanted to charge me $1200 for the phone. I called and was fed a line of lies and garbage. The bottom line was they refused to make good on the offer. I hung up, contacted Xfinity and they not only offered me the deal that Verizon's email had promised, they offered it at $30 a month cheaper.

Ah, but the tale is not over! I went to the local Xfiinity store were the very friendly and knowledgeable tried to swap my phone number over to the new phone. By law, phone companies have to let you take your old number with you when switching companies. It took two hours and multiple calls of the frustrated Xfinity's staff to get Verizon to release the number. The nice Xfinity lady said they often have problems with Verizon when doing this switch. That isn't incompetence on Verizon's part, it's an outright attempt to thumb you in the eye because you are trying to leave them.

Bye bye Verizon. Just like your predecessor AT&T, you will never get another dime from me. EVER.
 
All of the above make me sure glad I don't own a cell phone. My landline and answering machine work just fine and I don't have a worry about text messages!
 
And say what?

Though the wheels of justice moved slowly, the local investigator I worked with was a bloodhound, and the prosecutor got all four put away in federal prison. Better results than I expected.

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Did you get full restitution? Does the issue still arise and cause you difficulty with your finances? Things like that. If you've been made whole and the issue no longer troubles you, then you don't need to go . . .
 
Bye bye Verizon. Just like your predecessor AT&T, you will never get another dime from me. EVER.

Xfinity rents their cellular network and towers from Verizon. Spectrum wants me to use their phone service every time I visit the local office to exchange equipment. They too rent their network and towers from Verizon, so I gain no benefit by switching. The customer service rep always seems surprised that I know this . . .
 
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Did you get full restitution? Does the issue still arise and cause you difficulty with your finances? Things like that. If you've been made whole and the issue no longer troubles you, then you don't need to go . . .
Thanks for the clarification. My institution replaced the funds after a short investigation. No other problems arose from the fraud, other than disappointment in finding out that a credit report they ordered without permission gave the crooks enough info to fool the institution.
The court papers listed several financial institutions with claims against the perpetrators, but mine didn't bother.

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It depends on where you live and where you got your landline service before cell phones came to market.

Originally there were only two types of carriers "wireline" and "none wireline."

Wireline cell provides were Bell, Bell South, AT&T, or New England Telephone & Telegraph, depending on where you were.

Non wireline were companies like Cingular.

That's all pretty much gone now, so some areas get both Verizon and AT&T. T Mobile bought Sprint and there is no more Sprint brand.

Verizon has the best coverage in most, but not all areas.

People I know that have T Mobile or AT&T complain about how bad their customer service is.

Then there is Xfinity/Comcast as a cable and Internet provider. Around here the competition is... Verizon FIOS. Want to guess what their customer service is like?

It's more a matter of picking the least lousy customer service that provides a decent product.



Bye bye Verizon. Just like your predecessor AT&T, you will never get another dime from me. EVER.
 
Been a Verizon Customer for years with minimum problems.
Don’t recall ever contacting customer service that much and don’t recall any serious problems.
Now I have the Comcast - Verizon service.
The Cell Service is ‘free’ and you pay for data.
I started with data turned off and got phone service for year and a half for $2.75 a month, Tax.
Then they realized these bottom feeders are getting it for free!
So now they charge me for 1 Gig of data whether I use it or not.
$12. Verizon has the best Boondock coverage in these parts.
What’s better? Satellite.
 
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