When to get a letter?

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What is the criteria you use to decide weather to send in for a letter or not?

The majority of my collection is from right after WWII to the early 60's. None of them have any kind of law enforcement markings or any other markings. I'm just wondering if any of them deserve a letter.
 
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There is no way to know which gun to letter until after you get the letter.

The remedy to this fact is to letter ALL of them----which is what I did---and thought of the letters as "frosting on the cake"----and I still have copies of all the letters to keep me company--and a pile of money!

Every once in a while a letter comes along that makes it all worth while. My once in a while letter treats with the 22/40 (K-22 Second Model) that was given to Philip B. Sharpe. That which makes you sit right up and take notice is one line at the end-----says "This is a very important revolver."

The importance was measured in a very objective manner when I decided it would be best to leave behind a pile of money rather than a pile of guns---and called David Carroll to tend to the liquidation of the collection. It took a tad over three years, simply because of his methodology. He sells the common, everyday stuff on Gun Broker ------which is a comparatively quick and dirty method---"Wham bam, thank you Ma'am!"----done and done!

The special stuff is sold one on one, and that takes longer---although it didn't all that long with this gun. It was sold sight unseen with one brief phone call which ended with this response from the prospective buyer: "I'll take it if it's not over ten thousand." Given that guidance, it sold for just a bit less than that----and I'd paid $3700 for it. The bad news here is the fellow I bought it from had owned it for ten years---and never lettered it.

"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats YOU!"

Now my collection was target guns, from the beginning (NM #3's) to the end of the "5 screws", 65 guns (from the later 1870's to the mid 1950's)s---and a handful of autoloaders from later on. A collection of guns from a later period is perhaps less likely to contain "a very important revolver"-------but you'll never know without the letter!!!!

Ralph Tremaine

Another little tid-bit is once you have a letter, you can get whatever the S&W Historical Foundation has in the way of correspondence/documents/assorted dic-doc pertaining to the gun before it left the factory. More often than not, that's interesting----and every now and then it's earth shaking! One such pile of paper on a first year Registered Magnum laid out all you would ever need to know about the history of the entire program when it comes to whys and wherefores. The cost begins with what was a free search (don't know if there's any charge now, but if there is, it's chump change) followed by an insignificant charge for copies of whatever they find----AND if you're a member of both SWCA and the Historical Foundation you pay $75 for a letter instead of $100-----either of which is a fair chunk of change compared to "the good old days" when letters were free, but today's letters are still a bargain when you consider the content----especially if they're compared to letters from Colt and Ruger, both of which are maddening by comparison.
 
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My recommendation would be to join the Smith and Wesson Collectors Association. IIRC the first year dues are only $60 which is less than the cost of a letter and once you are a member you get a discount on the cost of letters. Kind of a win win.

Secondly, as a S&WCA member, you have access to the separate S&WCA forum where one section is an area to request ship dates from Dr. Jinks and another area allows you to ask Dr. Jinks questions directly. Definitely worth the price of admission.

The ship date forum is where as Ralph mentioned that you may be lucky enough to get the "that's a very important revolver" comment which is Jinks code for "I'd get a letter on that one"!!!

You are allowed one ship date request per 7 day week so basically 52 per year.

As to your question about which ones to letter, the above may help. I will tell you about one poster that asked about getting a letter on a .22/32 which isn't normally a huge ticket item. He decided to get the letter and learned that the gun shipped to Annie Oakley's husband as all of her guns were. I believe that it later showed being sold on one of the gun sites for over $20,000. I'm guessing that the cost of the letter was well spent......

PS: I just saw my original post on this gun from 2020. It actually sold for $47,500
 
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There are a range of opinions. Some (like Ralph above) letter every gun, but he may have had lots of special/rare/unusual collectible examples. Others would not letter one that is engraved, gold filled and engraved "To Dean Martin, From Your Friend Frank Sinatra". ;)

Common reasons to request - confirming an unusual or rare gun is in original configuration; a law enforcement or military connection; looking for an association with a family member or a particular historical figure. Simply wanting to know how old a gun is and to where it shipped is also very common.

Edit to add: looking to confirm a birth month/date/year shipped gun.
 
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Everyone hears about the 'lottery' winner but no one hears about the losers....all my letters just say "sent to the hardware store in Bugtussle,Pennsyltucky :(

That doesn't make them losers though. Those letters also tell you what the configuration was when the gun left the factory often including the type of stocks, sights, and sometimes more. In most cases, the presence of a letter will allow pricing the gun when sold high enough to recover the cost.

That said, I only letter guns where I'm pretty sure a positive letter will enhance value; those believed to be factory engraved, unusual barrel length or sights, or the possibility of shipping to a historical company (such as Wolf & Klar for 3rd Model 44s), or to confirm the current configuration for collectible guns such as RMs/NRMs.

Jeff
SWCA #1457
 
Letters on run of the mill guns are a crapshoot for sure. 99% of the time, they will be listed as shipped to a very large hardware store chain, or possibly a distributor or small gun shop.

Letters as mentioned are nice when they reveal interesting history like ownership by a prominent individual- roll your dice if you want.

My S&W collection is pretty small with nothing special that would warrant a letter. But then again, if my mid 50’s combat masterpiece lettered as shipping to a major personality it could change everything. I am not betting on it enough to get the letter.
 
I letter very few, only those that I know are uncommon or have some unusual feature. The ordinary examples just aren’t worth lettering. Knowing the exact shipping date and that it was sent to some wholesaler in Omaha is not worth $100 to me. And 99+% of the time, that is all a letter will tell you.
 
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What is the criteria you use to decide weather to send in for a letter or not?

The majority of my collection is from right after WWII to the early 60's. None of them have any kind of law enforcement markings or any other markings. I'm just wondering if any of them deserve a letter.

Like Clint once said: "Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it." Curiosity certainly does, but you never know until you get the letter.

My first reason is just that:curiosity. Even if it is a simple hardware store, I'll try to find ads or catalogs that feature my pistol when sold. In my view, documenting provenance is part of the hobby.

The second reason is rare features or early or late production dates. For example, I have two Model 57's that are among the earliest ones shipped along with the original tools and cases. I wanted letters to confirm the early dates, which were within the first few months production began.

The third reason is to establish originality. For example, I have a 5" pre model 27 and box that are uncommon, so I wanted to confirm that barrel was original when shipped. Other features, grips, sights, etc. can be confirmed the same way.

Admittedly, most of the letters are routine. Occasionally you hit a home run. To me, hit or miss, they're always worth the trouble. Whether they are worth the cost is up to you to decide.
 
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I have been pleasantly surprised about 20% of the time.... and once that increased value to a degree. As is often stated on this Forum, "You will never know until you letter it."
If the curiosity itch needs scratched, only you can determine the limits of price. Some are winners; some are not. A friend of mine got one that kinda ruined his day. He filed it deeply in 'file 13'.
I do think a letter adds a certain 'je ne sais quoi' to a package when it is offered for sale.
 
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I can see how a collector would want to letter every collectible gun he has, but that's not me.

Most of my guns look original, that's why I bought them - they haven't been monkeyed with, or it was a pretty darn skillful monkey.

As to confirming how it shipped, that's ok for a collectible. But what is the point in lettering my run of the mill Model 10-6? It looks just like the pictures in the books. Suppose there's a one in a million chance it shipped to Elmer Keith with a 9-inch barrel and custom ivory stocks? What am I going to do, go out looking for those things?
 
. . . The ship date forum is where as Ralph mentioned that you may be lucky enough to get the "that's a very important revolver" comment which is Jinks code for "I'd get a letter on that one"!!! . . .

Here is one such gun that I bought online. This K frame target is a nice gun bought at a good price with absolutely no hint it was special. Asked for a ship date and got the reply from Roy saying I better get a letter on that one! It has happened three times to me, but this is the best one.

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I letter a very small percentage of what I own but most of what I own is post 1980s

I consider there are multiple categories of firearm

First there are those that are the incredibly obvious, such as firearms marked to specific Law Enforcement Agencies or as mentioned above embellished and used as gifts or created by the factory to honor or commemorate some specific event. When I say commemorate I am not referring to a run of 500-10,000 pieces of something that goes to the local Commerative Association or anything like that.

The last category I also consider to be incredibly obvious, that would be something like as run of the mill firearm whose serial number puts it into the 1980+ category with decades of being in continuous production. I would also include in this category all of the Smith and Wessons that I have personally purchased brand new. Certainly no need to letter those

Then there are a whole batch of in-between categories . Everything that is post GCA 68 would have shipped to an FFL holder, not the end buyer. However everything pre GCA 68 could have shipped to individuals (including the original owner like the Annie Oakley gun) and might be MUCH more interesting.

So on stuff that isn't obvious I am much more likely to letter a pre 68 than a post 68. To help ground this decision out further there is a wonderful publication known as the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, there's much information that can be gained in there to help you decide which way to go. Also as JSR III mentions above, the SWCA Forum provides access to priceless resources in addition to a discount on the letters that you decide to get.

And of course the most important thing to remember while all of us give you our personal rules and guidelines is that When it comes to Smith and Wesson there's an exception to every rule
 
I go with the following criteria.

1. Anything Dr. Jinks comments on when requesting a ship date.

2. Any non military Victory/pre Victory. Lot of surprises here.

3. Anything that has had a factory rework.
 
Thanks guys.

I never have lettered a S&W but have a couple that I'm probably going to after reading your suggestions.

Thanks again.
 
I go with the following criteria.

1. Anything Dr. Jinks comments on when requesting a ship date.

2. Any non military Victory/pre Victory. Lot of surprises here.

3. Anything that has had a factory rework.

I’m curious Dave…..why do you letter ones with factory rework? I was under the impression that any information on factory rework done wouldn’t show up on a factory letter.
Larry
 
I’m curious Dave…..why do you letter ones with factory rework? I was under the impression that any information on factory rework done wouldn’t show up on a factory letter.
Larry

The S&W Historical Society can d a "Deep Dive" to get all information that is available in the repair shop records. Often that will identify who paid for what work.

I have lettered some of mine, and the results have mostly been MEH...
 
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