Where can I buy a fossil Mammoth ivory grips for my 29-2

[Keith Brown]

collectordude, the ethical part is an opinion, the legal part varies and is subject to much legal interpretation.

 

[lihpster]

Are you talking about elephant ivory? It's unethical and illegal to purchase

If you're talking to the OP, I think you should read the title of the thread again.

 

[collectordude]

If you're talking to the OP, I think you should read the title of the thread again.

I wasn't talking to OP.

 

[collectordude]

collectordude, the ethical part is an opinion, the legal part varies and is subject to much legal interpretation.

If you believe that the extinction of elephants and the loss of biodiversity is a positive outcome, then you might argue that purchasing ivory is not unethical. However, even buying pre-ban ivory still contributes to the black market. If there were no demand for ivory, elephants wouldn’t be poached for their tusks. It’s similar to the issue of illegal drugs—if there were no demand, there wouldn’t be smuggling, violence, or gang-related crimes associated with it.

I don't have an issue if the ivory is passed down from a family member. I think its unethical to engage with the trade in the market.

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

Fossil Mammoth Ivory

Sorry guys
I asked about fossil ivory, or appreciated Doc44's advice about giraffe bones and I tell you that I would never buy recent "fresh" ivory.
For me, thinking of killing an elephant or a whale or any other animal for the pleasure of doing so or to deprive it of something that others would pay for is a real mortal sin. Different is the Aethical Hunt and fishing.
When I see the photos of that poor white rhinoceros forced to live watched by the gamekeeper armed with a Fal L1A1 or a Kalshnikov I feel like crying.
This post is off topic but I really want to say it.
When I had the gun shop a customer proudly told me that he went to Argentina to hunt geese and that they killed 400 a day leaving them there to rot.
I would have put him up against the wall.
In my youth I went spear fishing, I caught a grouper fish without killing it and got on the boat with the dying animal. She emitted a heart-rending rattle and her eyes begged to be "finished" ... I said to myself "NEVER AGAIN" This wos my choose anyway spear fishing is aethical as other kind of fishing game.
Enough to prey! We have already massacred this planet, let's look inside our conscience, the time has come to do it.
Hunting is noble for the survival of the community or personal and when it does not jeopardize the survival of the species.
I hope I don't make many enemies, I don't think there are people here who would kill that poor rhino, he just needs friends now, not people who want to kill him.
I don't know if this post violates the forum rules, I kindly asked s&wchad to take a look at it and if it violates them to delete it.
If the post violates the rules I apologize to the forum members. My poor knowledge of the English language does not allow me to understand the bureaucratic language used in drafting the RULES

 

[s&wchad]

... I don't know if this post violates the forum rules, I kindly asked s&wchad to take a look at it and if it violates them to delete it.

Your post doesn't violate forum rules, but you probably will alienate a number of forum members.

Many of us hunt and/or fish and do so ethically. It's a responsible way to manage wildlife numbers, it generates much needed revenue for conservation efforts and puts food on the table.

The game meat harvested from Argentinian goose hunts and African plains game hunts typically goes to feed locals and isn't wasted. The hunts also generate a lot of money that supports the local economy.

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

Your post doesn't violate forum rules, but you probably will alienate a number of forum members.

Many of us hunt and/or fish and do so ethically. It's a responsible way to manage wildlife numbers, it generates much needed revenue for conservation efforts and puts food on the table.

The game meat harvested from Argentinian goose hunts and African plains game hunts typically goes to feed locals and isn't wasted. The hunts also generate a lot of money that supports the local economy.

I corrected my post hoping I has been able to explain my thoughts better.

This is a conscious response that I appruve and admire. I wasn't referring to "conscious" hunting and fishing, I was referring to those who prey on the planet. I don't think the capital H hunter would kill the rhino in question or hunt a deer to take its antlers and let it rot, I don't think there are any such people here, I thin they are conscious that thay are taking one life.
I decided to hang up my spear gun and dive with a camera, I did it and I still got some satisfaction and I have no negative thoughts about those who continue to do it with a spear gun or fishing rod.
Often the fish is released after being caught or kept if it is eaten. It means that many people think so.
The waste of life must be fought.
If the geese feed the population that's one thing and I would do it too, but if they rot that's another.

 

[YeshuaIsa53]

The pair of 29-2 Class B Engraved .44 Magnum revolvers are a great find. Have they been lettered? Love to see the results. Nice pair!

I agree they both have fine grips on them now. People are different, and think differently. My personal thoughts would be to carefully swap out the dark grips to the nickeled gun and place the lighter grips on the blued gun. I would need to see how that looked before spending big bucks on grips. Why, you might ask? Would need to know, and actually think they would look better that way. Make notes where the grips came from.

I might even look into a case for the two together. If I changed grips, I would keep those with the guns close by.

Remember, though: I have never had ivory, pure bone, or any of the such. Whatever you decide to do, please share back with us your final works. Good luck and thanks for sharing from Rome.

 

[mchom]

I could not disagree more. Currently several African countries struggle to deal with the destructive effects of heavy elephant populations and the effect on farming, agriculture and safety.

Easy for us in the US to say “Protect the Elephants” when they’re not in our backyard.

Maybe we should reintroduce coastal brown bears into the California interior? After all they were there only a
hundred and fifty years ago.

Maybe a massive effort to repopulate several million wild Bison across the US plains ? They were there before us.

It’s so easy to piously judge how other countries should manage resources.

I guess we don’t believe other humans have the same rights to improve their quality of life.

We in the US would not tolerate other countries to dictate how we manage our wildlife.

If you believe that the extinction of elephants and the loss of biodiversity is a positive outcome, then you might argue that purchasing ivory is not unethical. However, even buying pre-ban ivory still contributes to the black market. If there were no demand for ivory, elephants wouldn’t be poached for their tusks. It’s similar to the issue of illegal drugs—if there were no demand, there wouldn’t be smuggling, violence, or gang-related crimes associated with it.

I don't have an issue if the ivory is passed down from a family member. I think its unethical to engage with the trade in the market.

 

[collectordude]

I could not disagree more. Currently several African countries struggle to deal with the destructive effects of heavy elephant populations and the effect on farming, agriculture and safety.

Easy for us in the US to say “Protect the Elephants” when they’re not in our backyard.

Maybe we should reintroduce coastal brown bears into the California interior? After all they were there only a
hundred and fifty years ago.

Maybe a massive effort to repopulate several million wild Bison across the US plains ? They were there before us.

It’s so easy to piously judge how other countries should manage resources.

I guess we don’t believe other humans have the same rights to improve their quality of life.

We in the US would not tolerate other countries to dictate how we manage our wildlife.

In Africa it’s illegal to hunt/poach elephants. If you’re caught poaching an elephant you get shot. It’s already a criminal activity to poach them. Current population stands at 415,000 which has shrunk by 110k in the last decade.

Illegal poaching which produces criminal enterprises is not a valid solution to “destructive effects of heavy elephant populations”
Participating in the illegal ivory market is not a solution either.

In the earlier 1800s there were an estimated 26 million elephants

 

[lihpster]

In Africa it’s illegal to hunt/poach elephants.

Need to make a distinction between hunting and poaching. It is legal to hunt elephants in Africa. Botswana, Namibia, Tanzania and South Africa all have legal elephant hunting, as do other countries in Africa.
Poaching is a different story.

 

[mchom]

This statement is incorrect…
Of course Poaching (By definition ) is illegal across Africa
The following African Countries currently permit hunting of Elephant:
Botswana
Zimbabwe
Tanzania
S.Africa (tusk not exportable)
Mozambique (tusk not exportable)

Maybe others …

In Africa it’s illegal to hunt/poach elephants. If you’re caught poaching an elephant you get shot. It’s already a criminal activity to poach them. Current population stands at 415,000 which has shrunk by 110k in the last decade.

Illegal poaching which produces criminal enterprises is not a valid solution to “destructive effects of heavy elephant populations”

In the earlier 1800s there were an estimated 26 million elephants

 

[spin132]

Try James Mackie, he deals in fossilized Wooly Mammoth. You can find him on Facebook. Search for "Custom Grips, Leather, Scrim and Engraving". I have never purchased grips from him, but I've seen his work. Beautiful!

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[Keith Brown]

Spin132, thanks for guiding the original poster. Ivory is another one of those subjects that can get very emotional in a hurry. I will say that when trying to objectively research the subject it becomes frustrating as it seems the information and “facts” are compiled by organizations that seem of one mind.